Question for who made the "Against Anti-Semitism" or "Pro Israel" User Groups

[CMD1986]

Should there also be a group against "Racism Against White People" or "sexism Against Men", or defending the USA's or European country's rights to exist as a white majority country?

[motion denied]

Against anti-semitism is quite adequate - even more so for Europeans.

Pro-Israel, however... Anyway, this thread pops every now and then.

[CMD1986]

Against anti-semitism is quite adequate - even more so for Europeans.

You think Jews are a discriminated group today in Europe?

I am against anti-semitism in the same way I would also be against hating someone for being white, or being British, or being German, or Spanish, or Japanese, or for being a man...but if you ask me is this a serious form of racism in Europe today, then no, I don't think so.

[Quail]

I think that the point is that some people blame the poor treatment of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli state on Jewish people in general, so it is important to remember that as communists we should also fight against anti-semitism.

[Sasha]

You think Jews are a discriminated group today in Europe?

I am against anti-semitism in the same way I would also be against hating someone for being white, or being British, or being German, or Spanish, or Japanese, or for being a man...but if you ask me is this a serious form of racism in Europe today, then no, I don't think so.

wonder why we have the bulletproof glass and armed police guards in front of synagogues, jewish primary schools and holocaust museums here then, must be fashionable.

[CMD1986]

I think that the point is that some people blame the poor treatment of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli state on Jewish people in general, so it is important to remember that as communists we should also fight against anti-semitism.

I understand and I agree, but you could say the same that some people blame White People (or at least Americans, British, French, Germans, Dutch etc.) for the past/actual crimes of their governments, so we should also be against those kind of "racism". Or that you should not blame all men for sexism.

Of course I agree that you cannot punish civilian individuals, but I think if someone made a group against those things (Against Racism Against Whites or Against Sexism Against Men), people would be unconfident of them, so in my case, I have the same feeling when I see this Against Anti-Semitism group.

[DOOM]

Should there also be a group against "Racism Against White People" or "sexism Against Men", or defending the USA's or European country's rights to exist as a white majority country?

Are you implying jews aren't confronted with antisemitic injustice on a daily basis?
And I'm the admin of the latter group. Fight me.

[CMD1986]

Are you implying jews aren't confronted with antisemitic injustice on a daily basis?

Of course they are not.

[DOOM]

Against anti-semitism is quite adequate - even more so for Europeans.

Pro-Israel, however... Anyway, this thread pops every now and then.

This thread and the other ones are proof enough for the left's pseudo-critical position against anti-semitism.
There are many groups on this board defending various states and regimes which have a massively bigger body count than Israel has and yet I have to wait for threads which are appearing at the same frequency and are condemning the position and the existence of a group called "support for Syria" or whatever.
Fucking double standards.

And then there are people like OP which are even neglecting the relevance of anti-semitism today and comparing it to non-existent phenomena like "racism against white people".

[CMD1986]

This thread and the other ones are proof enough for the left's pseudo-critical position against anti-semitism.
There are many groups on this board defending various states and regimes which have a massively bigger body count than Israel has and yet I have to wait for threads which are appearing at the same frequency and are condemning the existence and the position of a group called "support for Syria" or whatever.
Fucking double standards.

And then there are people like OP which are even neglecting the relevance of anti-semitism today and comparing it to non-existent phenomena like "racism against white people".

If you are worried about the body count in Syria maybe you should start asking your friend Israel why it has been supporting Islamist terrorists there for 3 years.

[Sasha]

If you are worried about the body count in Syria maybe you should start asking your friend Israel why it has been supporting Islamist terrorists there for 3 years.

lol, Israel has all but actively propping up Assad the last years; http://middleeast.about.com/od/israe...n-Conflict.htm
No surprise considering their joint operations during the Lebanese civilwar against the PLO

[DOOM]

If you are worried about the body count in Syria maybe you should start asking your friend Israel why it has been supporting Islamist terrorists there for 3 years.

Really? Is this your objection to my post? Semi-conspiracial stuff about israeli involvement in the syrian civil war?
You know I was referring to the crimes done by Assad?

But this isn't even the point, we aren't discussing here whether Assad is the anti-imperialist Salvator Mundi or just another power-hungry oppressor.In fact, it's far more than that. And if you can't object to my post without deranging into irrelevant discussions than you didn't really make a point.

[CMD1986]

I don't think it is irrelevant that Israel is supporting Islamist terrorism. For anyone progressive this should be quite a big problem!

[Sasha]

so before we talk about your new bullshit claim (Israel tends to be one of the few players in the region not having an islamist dog in the game, excluding hamas in its very earliest founding the mossad mostly works with secularist groups as the kurds and the mudjadeen khalq) lets first go back to your claim that anti-semitism isnt a problem in europe. are you going to stand by this claim?

[contracycle]

This thread and the other ones are proof enough for the left's pseudo-critical position against anti-semitism.
There are many groups on this board defending various states and regimes which have a massively bigger body count than Israel has and yet I have to wait for threads which are appearing at the same frequency and are condemning the position and the existence of a group called "support for Syria" or whatever.
Fucking double standards.

Syria, however, is not a colonial project heavily subsidised and militarily supported by the West. We are involved, indeed complicit, in Israeli apartheid in a way that we are not in regards Syria, or wherever.

[DOOM]

I don't think it is irrelevant that Israel is supporting Islamist terrorism. For anyone progressive this should be quite a big problem!

And yet you show support for syria. It's quite funny that die-hard anti-imperialist are the likeliest type of "leftists" who would support full blown reactionaries such as Assad.

Oh boy. And yet you're trying to make this a discussion about whether israel is involved in the syrian war or not. I'm seconding Sasha and I won't participate in a serious discussion unless you explain how there is no anti-semitism in europe.

Some stuff you'd maybe like to read before you write a response:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5608612.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...lgium_shooting

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/...-news/1.616083

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sarcelles_riots

etc.

[consuming negativity]

the difference is that anti-semitism is an actual problem whereas racism against white people isn't

not that racism against white people is okay - that racism against white people is not a serious problem anywhere in the world (that i know of - i could be wrong, but i doubt i'm wrong)

white people aren't having their homes spraypainted by [minority] telling them "leave cracker now", and, apart from in majority-black inner-city neighborhoods, i've never heard of racial profiling against white people by the police

there are no, as far as i know of, black churches in 20XX who are refusing to marry interracial couples

christians aren't having their churches burned down by radical jews who want their country to be jewish-only. there is no history of jewish people putting [insert group here] into extermination camps and making soap out of them, either

america has no "right" to anything because it is an artificial construct (a country) that doesn't actually mean anything. and no, the people of america do not have some god-given "right" to not be around people who don't look like them because they're racist. sure, they can try to make america pure white by voting for it if they want (ahaha), or they can move and be racist somewhere else, but there is no reason to defend these racists from the consequences of their racism (ie. being angry because non-white people exist in proximity to them)

[CMD1986]

And yet you show support for syria. It's quite funny that die-hard anti-imperialist are the likeliest type of "leftists" who would support full blown reactionaries such as Assad.

Oh boy. And yet you're trying to make this a discussion about whether israel is involved in the syrian war or not. I'm seconding Sasha and I won't participate in a serious discussion unless you explain how there is no anti-semitism in europe.

I didn't say there is no antisemitism, just like I know there are people who hate white people and who hate men, etc.

But if you tell me Jews an oppressed minority, then I have to laugh, Jews are completely integrated into western society and I would even say that the Jewish elite has "merged" with the white elite, especially in Britain and the USA, and Israel is the most priveliged partner of the imperialists.

[Lily Briscoe]

Against anti-semitism is quite adequate - even more so for Europeans.

Pro-Israel, however...

Yes. Some people here seem to have a suspiciously difficult time separating the two.

[CMD1986]

the difference is that anti-semitism is an actual problem whereas racism against white people isn't

Why do you say this?

not that racism against white people is okay - that racism against white people is not a serious problem anywhere in the world (that i know of - i could be wrong, but i doubt i'm wrong)

There are many places in this world where there are negative attitudes to white people.

white people aren't having their homes spraypainted by [minority] telling them "leave cracker now", and, apart from in majority-black inner-city neighborhoods, i've never heard of racial profiling against white people by the police

I never heard of racial profiling against Jews by the police, and where are Jews homes being spray painted any more than white peoples?

christians aren't having their churches burned down by radical jews who want their country to be jewish-only.

Well many Arabs are treated this way in Israel, it does not matter if they are Christian or Muslim.

Can you tell me where is this happening on a wide scale to Jews?

I can tell you it is also happening to Christians in many Islamic countries, and to Muslims in others (eg India, Burma), but I do not see any User Groups about this issue.

there is no history of jewish people putting [insert group here] into extermination camps and making soap out of them, either

I don't understand this point. British or French didn't do this either, does this mean they can't be imperialist?

america has no "right" to anything because it is an artificial construct (a country) that doesn't actually mean anything. and no, the people of america do not have some god-given "right" to not be around people who don't look like them because they're racist. sure, they can try to make america pure white by voting for it if they want (ahaha), or they can move and be racist somewhere else, but there is no reason to defend these racists from the consequences of their racism (ie. being angry because non-white people exist in proximity to them)

So you would say the same for Israel then? Which is defined as a "Jewish State" eg it can only exist by excluding the Palestinians, the rightful owners of those lands...