Well, it looks like Tsipras sold the people of Greece out.
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This Tsipras opportunist is like a Greek version of Ramsay MacDonald!
Down with social democracy! Up with communism!
For the glory of socialism & love!
Well, it looks like Tsipras sold the people of Greece out.
Well, that was published by Jacobin, but written by a Panagiotis Sotiris, described as a member of Antarsyia.The Jacobin definitely reversed the hope they had that Syriza would actually do anything of any substance for the working class: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/t...-deal-germany/
Austerity is dead, long live austerity.
It is a good article, and proposes a good line forward.
Luís Henrique
Dat doublespeak tho...
It's *meaning*, though is clearly that of austerity.
Why do Stalinists so often talk like "Long live Socialism! Glory to the People's Stuff and so forth!" makes you look like you're into politics because it gives you a cool identity, that you are part of a camp, like a hooligan basically. It looks really silly.
As for ckaihatsu:
its*
it's = it is
its = when it can be replaced with 'his' or 'her' and it still makes sense.
Come one people. Without grammar discipline we will never succeed in the glorious people's revolution.
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That's why ckai should join us anarchists, since we defy your arbitrary laws of grammar!
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The only slaves who are happy, are the crazy ones.
'Come *one* people' -- ?
This is getting downright chaotic, when 'Grammar Checkers' are actually 'Spelling Checkers', and require their own 'Diction Checkers' -- ! (grin)
That's why ckai should join us anarchists, since we defy your arbitrary laws of grammar!
Heh -- I'll take TC's advice here, and *decline*....
would greece going back to the drachma be a good thing? I don't think so
Has nobody make a grammar cheka pun yet?
As for Greece going back to the drachma, I think the situation that has unfolded is a case of the devil you know, leaving would be pretty difficult and a lot of essential services would be thrown even further into the lurch for an indeterminate amount of time, although down the line (and not even insanely far) things may change in the face of increased millitancy, though how more millitant Greece can really get is going to be quite powerful by the standards of today. Additionally, Greece still has a lot of reliance on tourism so the removal of easier travel would probably be a bit of a shitter for that particular industry.
"He rather hated the ruling few than loved the suffering many."
Formerly known as Pragmatic-Punk / Right Hand Of Jah / Heinous Bifter
There are no good things possible at this moment re. Greece.would greece going back to the drachma be a good thing? I don't think so
Awful as it is, it is that time when you have to choose a lesser evil.
Luís Henrique
would greece going back to the drachma be a good thing? I don't think so
Everything about Greece right now is at the level / scale of *geopolitics*, and within the scope of *realpolitik* (left-leaning, that is).
What we'd *like* is for the working class of all of Europe to rise up immediately and socialize all production, which would turn all of the world's currencies to shit in a mere moment -- buuuuuuut that's probably not gonna happen.
So, in the context that's in front of us 'Grexit' is actually a decent populist-type *tactic*, despite the austerity, hardship, logistical costs, and lack of class-based activity that accompanies it.
Greece Syriza Leadership Reject 'Humiliating' EU Deal for Greece
http://www.legitgov.org/Syriza-Leade...EU-Deal-Greece
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Greece Syriza Leadership Reject 'Humiliating' EU Deal for Greece
Greece's Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis (R) and Parliament Speaker Zoe Constantopoulou, Athens, Greece July 15, 2015. | Photo: Reuters Previous Next Published 15 July 2015 (12 hours 54 minutes ago) 0+ We Recommend
“This proposal cannot be accepted by the members and the cadres of Syriza,” read a statement by a majority of the party's leadership.
A majority of members of the central committee of the ruling Syriza party issued a bold statement rejecting the terms of the deal reached between the government of Alexis Tsipras and Greek creditors.
In a statement posted on the website of the party's newspaper Avgi, 109 members of the 201-person leadership called on the party to immediately convene a meeting of the central committee.
“The agreement signed with the 'institutions' was the outcome of threats of immediate economic strangulation and represents a new Memorandum imposing odious and humiliating conditions of tutelage that are destructive for our country and our people,” read the statement.
In a wide-ranging interview with Greek state television, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras reluctantly defended the deal reached with creditors, arguing his government did its best, but admitting the deal was not a “success story.” Tsipras said the country faced economic collapse if he did not agree to the deal.
Rejecting the logic that the government should capitulate in the face of “asphyxiating pressures,” the statement by the central committee members added, “The proud NO of working people in the referendum does not allow the government to give up in the face the pressures of the creditors.”
The rebellion of a majority of members of the Syriza central committee comes hours ahead of vote by Greek lawmakers on the deal reached with creditors.
Their dissension also essentially means that the prime minster has lost the support of his own party.
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At least 30 Syriza parliamentarians have stated they will not vote in favor of the deal and further austerity measures.
Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis, seen as a spokesperson for the left flank of Syriza, rejected the measures but stated he would also not look to split the government.
"The choice between a bailout or catastrophe is a choice made in the face of terror," said Lafazanis.
Zoe Constantopoulou, speaker of the Greek parliament, called on her colleagues to also reject the deal.
"This Parliament must not conclude the blackmail by the lenders," Constantopoulou told fellow lawmakers.
Syriza, together with the smaller Independent Greeks party, holds a slim 162 seat majority in the parliament. The dissension means that the deal will only pass with support from opposition parties and could mean a cabinet reshuffle.
Vice Finance Minister Nadia Valavani has already resigned her post in protest, as has Manos Manousakis, the secretary-general of the finance ministry.
Greek public-sector workers also went on strike Wednesday in protest of the deal and urged Greek members of parliament not to back the proposed bailout deal.
Adding to the uncertainty, a secret report by the International Monetary Fund said Greece was in desperate need of more debt relief than was being offered. The IMF has threatened to pull out of talks unless more debt relief is offered.
European partners have insisted that the IMF be involved in future bailouts, their withdrawal would cast further doubt on the viability of a deal between Greece and its creditors.
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Lapavitsas says exit is the only way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHSJdlJ-gQk
Anarchists say:
Entry and exits don't matter, since borders are illegitimate anyway.
OBRESPONSE: Shut up you stinking anarchists, who asked you anyway?
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The only slaves who are happy, are the crazy ones.
I'm posting this elsewhere, but Leo Panitch and Sam Gindin on baby steps for an exit and challenges to capitalism: http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/1145.php
