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Weight Loss Accountability
Well, it's a new year almost, so some of us who haven't been doing so well with our weight loss goals have a good reason to start up again. Let's make the year 2015 a healthy one and keep each other motivated. I personally am not comfortable posting specific weights or calorie counts, but that's fine if others want to do that. We can talk in this thread or subscribe to the group The Jay started:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=1287
"We should not say that one man's hour is worth another man's hour, but rather that one man during an hour is worth just as much as another man during an hour. Time is everything, man is nothing: he is at the most time's carcass." Karl Marx
joined, will participate once i actually know my weight and goals
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
I think wieght loss is not so important but fitness is important!
you can get fitness without much weight loss!
Joined the group, so now I'm not only accountable to my diary, I'm accountable to *gasp* other people. Not looking to lose masses of weight but I feel a bit unfit at the moment (and have gained holiday squishiness).
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Is this . . . uh . . . like, I wonder if "accountability to others" vis-a-vis one's "health" or weight is actually, like, a good thing.
I mean, whatever, do what you want with your bodies, but this seems like it's promoting weight loss . . . which, uh . . . well, probably promoting weight loss has ruined a lot more lives than it's improved.
I . . . yeah, this gives me all sorts of really terrible feels.
Should that be fleshed out in this thread? Is that another thread?
Eeeeg.
Uh . . . yeah.
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Formerly Virgin Molotov Cocktail (11/10/2004 - 21/08/2013)
I mean, I'd be totally down to talk about it. Cause I can understand why you have the bad feelings associated with weight loss (I just need to be accountable to go to the gym, not really about weight loss).
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
I feel like it would be promoting weight loss if the moderators put everyone in the group by default lol. A voluntary group to monitor fitness doesn't seem like such an issue, the OP just happens to be concentrating on weight loss for the time being. I think we should be as suspicious of 'health acceptance' currents, for lack of a better term, as we should be with the general 'self improvement' currents as well. Both leave people susceptible to manipulation either by market forces, pseudo-science and peer pressure. As long as this isn't advocating anything dangerous or disrespectful I can't see how anyone should feel offended.
E: Let it be known that I advocate for the shameless consumption of food at all times.
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Awesomeness. I joined. I'm going to be doing some basic circuit training 3 times a week with a day or two of rest between workout days: crunches, push-ups and prisoner squats (no weight) for 15 minutes.
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Agreed - negative body image is not a good thing. But if you are better equipped to storm the Bastille this week than you were last week, then I will cheer you on
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Well, "accountability" in the sense that weight must be lost at all costs would certainly be a bad idea. However, I don't think anyone takes Revleft that seriously; the everyday world exerts far, far more pressure on body image than a messageboard where no one even sees each other.
There are certainly healthy ways to go about weight loss, and for many people, improvements to health are to be had from it. There is also a lot of weight loss which is cosmetic or functional, as in for sports performance. Anorexia and bulemia are terrible disorders, certainly, but they appear in people with serious mental disorders, and typically involve different methods than people normally use in weight loss.
As someone with an anorexic mother, and someone who has engaged in concerted weight loss efforts down to fairly low weight, the actions and methods of both people are quite different.
For anyone that needs a good strength training program, check out Stronglifts 5x5. It's a great program that mimics Rippetoe's Starting Strength, but without the power cleans (PCs are hard to do with good form, especially for those starting out). Barbell rows are a better compound upper body workout, without the form issues. I'm going to try this out when I can get a hold of a power rack. For now, I'm sticking to body weight exercises in a circuit training program.
Here's a demonstration. There are two workout sessions consisting of three exercises performed with 5 sets, 5 reps each.
I am a pessimist by nature. Many people can only keep on fighting when they expect to win. I'm not like that, I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes I win.
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While corporations dominate society and write the laws, each advance in technology is an opening for them to further restrict its users.
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Kk. Thanks y'all for engaging a bit. I appreciate it.
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Formerly Virgin Molotov Cocktail (11/10/2004 - 21/08/2013)
I just want to add that I want to get in shape for healthy reasons, i.e., I want to fight in Judo competitions in a certain weight category and build up my general fitness. I have had plenty of problems with eating disorders in the past and I know what unhealthy attitudes look like. There's a difference between being nasty and competitive and creating a place where people can find mutual support.
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I'm going to put on my science hat on here and talk very technical (for me).
When starting off on a diet, at the very early stages of the process, it is actually possible to put weight on. And this is how:
If you're an individual who does little or no exercise, starting to do exercise or even just more exercise (like weights, running etc) will increase muscle mass. Muscle is 3x heavier than fat. So your body weight could increase, but your fat mass decreases and muscle mass increases. But this is not something to rely on lack-of weight decrease long term, only for a couple of weeks or so whilst your bodies muscles are in the growth period.
Also i'll say one thing about the food part of the diet. So many people (and i've done it myself) select a diet that isn't going to work for them, and eventual give up on it. When you select your diet, try to make sure this is ''a diet for you'' and you can continue with it long term, not just a quick fix or something fancy. It makes sense to chose a diet you can use long term.
Any serious sports people struggling to get to there weight before a competition, there's always the athletes way of sweating it out with the sauna before a weigh-in.
True, but this is only safe for a small weight loss. I know someone who lost so much water weight for a weigh-in they had a seizure.
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I'm by no means an expert, but based on what I've heard, read, and personal experience, that doesn't seem very likely. First, the person in question would need to do a program specifically designed for muscle or strength growth, but people here seem more focussed on weight loss on itself and so would probably do more cardiovascular exercises. Second, they'd need to have a diet specifically geared toward muscle growth. For instance, in a bulk I eat about 120-140 grams of protein for muscle growth, and would need to eat the same if I wanted to continue increase my strength and muscle while in my cut... But that's really difficult unless you go out of your way. Essentially, it would mean eating a regular health diet of about 1300 kcalories (not that much) plus one can of tuna (150g) and a can of quark or cottage cheese (500g) every single day. Obviously, you'd need to sacrifice some other foodstuffs to make room for the quark/cottage cheese and tuna so it eats into your dietary diversity.
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As for weight loss in general, people tend to overestimate the amount of calories they burn and underestimate the amount of calories they consume, and hence some people gain weight while trying to lose it. I don't recall the specific numbers, but it was something like 30 minutes of intense cardio burns 200 kcalories (participants estimated 400), which is essentially two slices of bread with one layer of peanut butter -- not much really. The calorie loss was, in this experiment, offset by the extra calories the participants consumer due to energy loss, leading to many of them gaining weight. Key is tracking calories and other macronutrients. Weigh everything you eat, write it down, add it up. I have been cutting for one month, first at 2,200 kcalories for about 1.5 week, then 2,000, then 1,800 and more recently 1,700 kcalories and I have lost about 2.5kg of bodyweight and my waist measurement dropped by 2cm without any cardiovascular training. I only do weightlifting training, which burns about 100-110 kcalories. To measure is to manage. Meten is weten, je weet.
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If you want to lose weight (slowely) eat half a fresh grapefruit a day. It works.
That said. Scales are nothing...the average weight of a human can fluctuate by 5kg per day. Though this may sound extreme and usually is a lower number...it actually is true.
Scales are not measurements for fat loss but for body weight at a particular time under particular circumstances.
I should have really pointed out there are health risks involved in deliberate rapid dehydration. Thanks for that Quail.
But usually the only people who go through this process are people who have trainers. The top MMA fighters have been known to sweat ten pounds of water out of themselves in one sauna session . . . dangerous.
Be carefully if your going to do this guys.
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Yea, I have struggled in the past with eating disorders like others in the thread, and have also been able to lose weight in a more healthy way, there's a pretty significant difference. But I'd be open to discuss more in a new thread maybe
One should weigh at the same time of day, preferably in the morning before showering and after using the toilet (if you need to) for most accuracy. This is how I've always done it and have seen pretty consistent numbers with insignifcant fluctuations.
"We should not say that one man's hour is worth another man's hour, but rather that one man during an hour is worth just as much as another man during an hour. Time is everything, man is nothing: he is at the most time's carcass." Karl Marx
It's a fact my friend. It's not true to all people,but i was just stating it's possible for your weight to go up (in the very early stages) if you're badly out of shape.And if you think about it a simple matter of physics.
No, your diet/regime does not have to implement a lot of muscle building exercises, i simple walk a lot,but if your muscles have been neglected, and are then put to work , the density will increase and that creates weight increase. On the other part of the equation, you could be losing weight with fat reduction. But it's a fact that muscle weighs 3x more than fat.
Part of it is what kind of condition your body is in to start with.
The overall message really was it might take a little time to see positive results, but they could be happening slowly but surely.
