Well, maybe they should. Make the financiers shit *their* pants. Make them watch *their* back.
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Justice for Michael Brown – Justice for us All
The assault on Michael Brown was nothing less than murder. It was the murder of an individual and attempted murder of the Black community as a whole. These kind of police murders have been taking place since Blacks arrived in the Americas as slaves. These kind of police murders where the Black victim is unarmed are brutal messages from the powers that be that Blacks must accept their exploitation in the prevailing system of the time be it past slavery, or today’s capitalism.
There has been an epidemic of police murders even since the successes of the civil rights movement in the ‘60’s. Daily, unarmed Blacks are beat up and or shot by police officers. In just the past 5 years in addition to the “hands up” murder of Michael Brown, there has been the Fruitvale Station murder of Oscar Grant in Oakland while cuffed and on the ground, the police choke hold murder of Eric Garner in Staten Island New York. Also recently there is the St. Louis, Mo. murder of Kajieme Powell, a mentally disabled Black youth who though holding a knife was shot after he had backed up from the cops who killed him. The cops pumped 12 shots into Kajieme when use of a TASER or a single, non-lethal shot would have incapacitated and put him in a position for the cops to arrest him. And just short of murder there is the shameful, brutal beating in the face of a Black female by a California Highway Patrol cop.
The press has distributed videos where it appears Michael Brown is committing an act of petty robbery before he was shot. Even if the cop who shot him knew about the robbery, which he didn’t that in no way makes it OK for the cop to act as jury and executioner for that act. Capital murder is not the accepted punishment for petty robbery in the U.S.. Wall Street finance beasts have ripped off millions and billions from the masses, yet no one saying they deserve capital punishment for their acts. This has been accepted behavior by the police against Blacks because the life and well-being of a Black person has little significance in the racist thinking and practices present in Amerika. And lack of significance of Black lives originated from the vile institution of slavery that existed in the Southern states. From there it permeated the thinking of whites everywhere in Amerika.
While we should vigorously stand up for justice for Michael Brown, the practice of some protestors holding their arms up in the air, to demand justice for Michael Brown is not a good thing and should be ended. The practice makes the masses struggling for justice for Michael Brown appear to be giving up to the police and powerless against police murder. In reality the masses are powerful when they stand together to demonstrate and rally against police and justice for Michael Brown.
In a capitalist country like Amerika, it may be possible to end maltreatment against Blacks. But this would require such extraordinary struggle by the masses of people – Black, White, Asian, Indian and others - against the capitalist system that we would be better off raising our sights higher and struggling for communist revolution to not only end police maltreatment but to eliminate all exploitation and oppression throughout society. Given that many of the masses of people are already struggling against low wages, for better housing, for women’s equality and more, we should unite these fights with the struggle against police murder and aim to overthrow the rule of the superrich 1% with a communist revolution.
Communist revolution is all about eliminating all exploitation and oppression and it is much more capable of righting wrongs like the police murder against Blacks and Hispanics for the long term as opposed to only fighting to end police murder and brutality. Note that the struggle for justice for Michael Brown is a struggle for all peoples, not just Blacks. And if we are to make a communist revolution it will require the unity of people of all colors.
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Well, maybe they should. Make the financiers shit *their* pants. Make them watch *their* back.
Maybe if your website didn't look like it was made by a 12 year old in 1993, we could take your shit more seriously. Seriously, get your stuff together.
Noel Ignatiev: "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity"
Marquis de Sade: "You young maidens, too long constrained by a fanciful Virtue's absurd and dangerous bonds and by those of a disgusting religion, imitate the fiery Eugénie; be as quick as she to destroy, to spurn all those ridiculous precepts inculcated in you by imbecile parents"
^I guess you missed all the references to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism-Redd Thought to conclude that he can't ever be taken seriously. Megalomaniac would-be cult leader.
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So you can't take a serious and militant stand against the daily brutality and wholly unjustified murder of Blacks and other minorities by the pig police until a web site controlled by those taking a militant stand is set up to match your bourgeois aesthetic?
If you honestly think that is what is most important in this thread, you've got a serious problem bloke.
Last edited by Tim Redd; 17th December 2014 at 05:31.
You're so hung up opposing Redd Thought that you can't carry out your duties as a revolutionary who stands against the daily vicious pig repression and wanton murder of Blacks and other minorities?
Comments in favor of Redd theory dominate your thoughts so much that garbage is the first thing you have to say in this thread labeled " Justice for Michael Brown – Justice for us All".
It isn't about the nature of the struggle against, police murder, and police brutality that you first speak about, but a petty argument against Redd Thought. You are part of the problem. You act as an agent of the bourgeoisie whether you know it or not.
Its because you aren't bringing anything new to the table. Some of us have put our necks out to fight against racist murders, the police, etc... So when someone tries to come along acting as if they have the great new thing that will liberate us all its not only presuming to have all the answers but its insulting to say that all that we do was stupid and useless (for example, your analysis of holding the hands up is not only stupid but it acts like everyone who partakes is stupid). Furthermore I think there are times when it might add to the power of an image to do it. I've done it a few times when at a protest, but really it kinda depends on what I feel like doing. But acting all high and mighty about shit that I get the impression you don't participate in (protests) is stupid as fuck.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Your assumption that "comments in favour of Redd theory dominaty [my] thoughts" suggest an inflated sense of self-importance. I can honestly say that I have never seen one positive comment about 'Redd theory', or in fact, that I have never heard of 'Redd Thought' before in my life. To me, this suggests that you may indeed have delusions of grandeur. And if you have, you will probably rationalise this and ignore it, but I'm going to say it anyway, I think you may need to seek some help with that. But honestly, you don't think it's a little weird to promote yourself as intellectual heavyweight equal to Marx, Lenin, Mao, when your theories aren't exactly carried by anyone other than yourself?
Last edited by Tim Cornelis; 17th December 2014 at 17:18. Reason: make it potentially more accessible/approachable and effective
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Tim Redd, why do you have your own thought and how does it differ from ordinary marxism-leninism? I googled it but couldn't find anything.
"Carry out your duties as a revolutionary who stands against the daily vicious pig repression and wanton murder of Blacks and other minorities".
Leaving aside that it's just an empty slogan*, how is that related to engaging someone with possible mental health issues?
*It is somehow criticising (personality) cult politics, which took less than a minute out of my day, that incapacitates my ability to affect racist police conduct in the United States from the Netherlands.
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Well, perhaps for you, because, *maybe* you just don't give a shit about black people. Racism & sexism are mental health issues.
There's plenty of racism against black people in the Netherlands.
"The row over Black Pete is a part of wider ‘Afrophobia’ across Europe, it’s been claimed.
The European Network Against Racism (ENAR) says the controversial character is “rooted in the legacy of slavery”.
ENAR used a debate on Black Pete in Brussels on Tuesday (December 16) to call on EU chiefs to act over “structural racism in European society”.
Black Pete, or Zwarte Piet, is the companion of traditional figure Saint Nicholas in Dutch folklore.
Those playing the controversial figure blacken their faces and put on a curly wig, red lipstick and colourful clothes.
Proponents say Black Pete is a tradition and not linked to racism. A survey in the Netherlands last year revealed 92 percent didn’t think the character was racist.
Supporters of the tradition include the country’s prime minister, Mark Rutte, who said: “Black Peter is black. There is not much we can do to change that.”
ENAR said in a statement to euronews: “It is high time the European Union acts to address racism and discrimination against people of African descent in Europe.
“The ‘Black Pete’ debate in the Netherlands is just a reflection of the reality of Afrophobia across Europe.
“EU decision makers must recognise this reality and develop effective strategies to counter the structural racism that prevents the inclusion of so many Black people in European society.”
Swedish MEP Malin Björk said: “All European countries have these issues of Afrophobia to do away with and face up to. Traditions and culture must evolve. And in that process, the most valuable voices are those of people that experience Afrophobia. It is time to listen. To listen and to evolve!”
Scores of people were arrested in the Dutch city Gouda in November after trouble broke out during a re-enactment of the arrival of Nicholas and his Black Petes.
An Amsterdam court ruled the tradition did give rise to a negative stereotyping of black people, but this was later overturned by a higher court."
http://www.euronews.com/2014/12/16/b...n-campaigners/
Says the anti-semite!
Oh gee, you don't say! But this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, also even if we take this into account, it's still stupid. Apparently, I can't take a minute to criticise or evaluate someone trying to create a political cult (of personality) around himself for a minute without turning into a racist! What an idiot you are. Bugger off. Please don't ever reply to me, I can't be bothered with this stupidity.
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More to the point the OP seems to have a rivalry with the cult leader of the RCP (or at least he does in his own mind I suppose) who he claims stole his theory and repackaged it as his own. So in his mind he should be at the center of RCP's cult rather than Avakian. Even if he isn't mentally unstable or something like that, he certainly has some incredibly reactionary political ideas. There's no need to defend him as if he really is standing up to police brutality and Tim is attacking him for it, he's just some weirdo on the internet.
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
I'm opposed to Zionism, because it's racist. Are you oppose to racism against black people, or not?
Denouncing a slogan calling for social justice & opposition to police brutality does not you a revolutionary make. & the same problems or similar exist in your own native country. Don't pretend otherwise. But it's more important for you to denounce somebody else for having alleged mental health issues, & on top of that, you're belaboring that point. So, "oh gee", yourself.
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Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
Avakian & Redd both denounce police brutality & that's the correct line to take. If all the so-called internet weirdos take up the correct line about a particular issue, what's the point in denouncing them as weirdos rather than affirm that correct line with whatever appropriate qualifications that are necessary?
The OP was focused on the issue of Michael Brown & police brutality. The response to that has been a lot of ad hominem. Why?
What is your problem with the following?
Redd:
"The assault on Michael Brown was nothing less than murder. It was the murder of an individual and attempted murder of the Black community as a whole. These kind of police murders have been taking place since Blacks arrived in the Americas as slaves. These kind of police murders where the Black victim is unarmed are brutal messages from the powers that be that Blacks must accept their exploitation in the prevailing system of the time be it past slavery, or today’s capitalism."
Because the way in which they took that line is delegitimizing of those who actually have put themselves out there. So fuck off.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Why the hostility? It's egotistic to claim legitimacy. You don't have no more a proprietary claim over the correct line than they do.
I'm not saying I'm taking the correct line, I'm saying they are insulting the folks who have actually put themselves out there, shown solidarity etc... Which I doubt Redd has really done.
Oh yeah and the hostility is because I want you to be taken in the next purge cause you suck
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
