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Ferguson
Absolutely shameful. This could potentially trigger massive rebellions across the whole of the United States, and nobody on here seems to be talking about it? Disgraceful.
Get off your high horse, buddy.
One, there is no chance of massive rebellions.
Two, I've seen nothing in international news about anything going on in Ferguson, hence I haven't posted about it.
Three, not everyone here is obsessed with American politics, and thus have less incentive to post about it.
Four, people have already posted about it elsewhere. http://www.revleft.com/vb/breaking-n...light=ferguson
Last edited by Hrafn; 23rd November 2014 at 18:28.
It's not gonna trigger anything serious. Americans aren't nearly that in tune with each other. We might see a few demonstrations, but that'll be about it.
I heard a preacher say once that people have to reach a point of intense suffering and hopelessness before they will have the motivation to change either themselves or the situation around them. I don't know what kind of religous point he was trying to make, but I think he was right about that.
Until white Americans start suffering as much from police violence as black Americans, this will remain an isolated "black" issue, and the media will continue to use it to scare white people and widen the "racial" divide. At this point, the police would hardly have to even do anything to quell any "massive rebellion" because the goddamn Middle Class white gun owners would be the first ones to retaliate to protect their precious way of life.
Grand Jury decision regarding Brown/Wilson got delayed. At the moment, of more interest is Anonymous' revealing of KKK action in Ferguson.
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"I heard a preacher say once that people have to reach a point of intense suffering and hopelessness before they will have the motivation to change either themselves or the situation around them. I don't know what kind of religous point he was trying to make, but I think he was right about that."
The exact opposite is proposed in 'The Anatomy of Revolution', hope, not hopelessness, drives revolution and rebellion.
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Yup, deliverance is found through suffering is as much bull for revolution as its for art.
Sure you need to be familiar with injustice to make good revolution as you need to have spend time in the real world to make meaningfull art but there needs to be hope and room to be able to organize for progress. There is no such thing as "nothing to loose", people always have something to loose and unless under very extreme circumstances the hopeless can't afford to start the fight. They might lash out, they might riot but that's not yet the same as revolutionary action even though it can become that in time.
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Art is primarily a means of duping the rich into spending their money on invented status symbols. What qualifies as fine art and what qualifies as true art are, to me, two very different things.
You might have a point, but I think a lot of that is just Upper/Middle Class posturing. Once it became hip for priviledged upper-crust kids to call themselves "revolutionaries," all kinds of stuff was written, especially in the post-left community, about how revolution isn't just about the working class and everyone can be part of the revolution, etc, etc. Some of the literature actually did everything it could to undermine the working class in the name of abolishing identity politics or some crap. That's part of where you get those nutjobs claiming that the upper class are just as oppressed as the working class or whatever.
Some of that is good. I'm not claiming that the poor hold a monopoly on revolution. But nowadays you get a lot of spoon-fed upper-crust kids wearing the latest brand name clothes and calling for revolution.... Yeah right.I'm not saying that everyone should sell everything and be a pauper; if I was I'd be a hypocrite, because my computer is one of my most important sources of information, but I have little respect for comfortably well-off kids who make every effort to play the part of the comfortably well-off and then turn around and try to make themselves out to be freedom fighters or some crap. If you haven't suffered, you really aren't going to make a decent revolutionary. If anything, you're just one of those typical bourgoeis who historically were only interested in revolution for the purpose of elevating their own status to that of even richer bourgeois.
But overall, I actually agree with you. A severely oppressed group of people is not going to have the power to organize and put up a serious resistance. It's for this reason that priviledged half-cocked "revolutionaries" with too much desire to spill blood and too little consideration for the truly oppressed have directly and indirectly killed almost as many people as oppressive states have. However, as you said, if a person is not familiar with injustice (on a personal level, I should add), then that person isn't likely to be worth a damn as an agent of change.
Last edited by The Disillusionist; 24th November 2014 at 06:05.
Shit will probably go down when the grand jury has decided. Nothing's going to happen now.
And even if, it'll only be riot porn. But I guess this counts as revolutionary for some people here.
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Cops just murdered a 12 year old kid holding a toy gun in Cleveland.
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30172433
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why didnt i not need to click that link to know the color of the boys skin...
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Because Cleveland is 53.3% black, making it statis- no wait you're right, still gonna be a non-white kid regardless of the city demographics.
cops probably wouldnt shoot a white 12 year old at a mall even if he had a real gun...
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Here at least We shall be free
Ferguson, Mo: Grand Jury Expected to Reach A Decision.
Should this go into a new thread?Originally Posted by NYTimes
Yes, probably if it isn't already.
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twitter is saying the decision will be announced 8 pm central time, thats about 3 hours from now right?
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
i am making this post at 5:34 central time, so yes, but now it's about 2.5 hours from now
It's not going to be announced until 8pm central time.
I'm thinking they'll nail him on manslaughter if anything and he'll probably spend like half a year in jail before he gets parole. Which would be good, but not good enough
i am not confident that they'll return a verdict to indict.
I was actually wondering-- what is going on with it??? Did they ever say what's going to happen with the boy's familia?? and to the pos cop?? I know the grand jury is suppoed to announce it- but still, i have not heard anything except they have the miltary and the pigs all ready for riots and even the kkk is all there supporting the cops and even raising money for the freaking pigs familia and lawyers etc etc. Freaking so gross--- they are blatantly telling amerikkka that they are racist and basically don't care what we think about it--- actually taking the support from the actual kkk. wow... ANYWAys- does anyone know anuthing?
I doubt it. People thought that Zimmerman would catch somekind of charge, and he is not even a cop. Its rare for cops to punish their own kind.
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