... Uhm, is that supposed to be supportive of Hezbollah? We don't take kindly to theocracy around here. And it's a Tankie red-flag.
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... Uhm, is that supposed to be supportive of Hezbollah? We don't take kindly to theocracy around here. And it's a Tankie red-flag.
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Who is this "we" you speak of?
Me you little shit
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We, as in communists. We, as in, revolutionary left forum.
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Did someone take a poll amongst members of this forum about their views on Hezbollah? It would be interesting to see if the majority of the members here hate Hezbollah as much as Israel does, or if it just consists of a handful of people.
Yes. We should also make a poll whether people here like Golden Dawn, or whether people hate them as much as Zionists do.
No wait. That is completely redundant, since we are on a revolutionary leftist forum, and therefore support for fascism, theocracy, conservatism, anti-semitism is out of the question.
If we you want to proclaim support for the far-right, for theocracy, for bonapartist strongmen, and other Tankie stuff, please go to Soviet Empire, and don't bother us with your terrible Tankie politics.
It's completely baffling what self-proclaimed 'communists' throw their support behind, without any regard to communist principles. These Tankie, Stalinoids, and social-chauvinists don't care about class struggle, class independence, they care about satisfying their infantile 'anti-Westernism' where they champion the bourgeoisie of 'the East' over the bourgeoisie of the West. The façade of communism is merely the pretext for their infantile anti-Westernism. Support for Hezbollah, support for Mugabe, support for Putin, support for China, support for Alexandr Dugin (!), support for National-Bolshevism, Aijo Beness , support for Hamas , support for Assad, support for Chavismo, support for Evo Morales, support for Lukashenko. I'm sick and tired of these Tankies polluting communism with their toxic class collaborationism, nationalism, chauvinism, etc. The only solution is to grow communism so these toxic individuals are gradually crowded out, so their insanity doesn't appear to be so vocal.
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I wasn't aware Zionists hate Golden Dawn at all. They seem to encourage these "anti-Semitic" groups in Europe, as it goes well with their propaganda to encourage more emigration of Jews from Europe.
Could you provide some sources showing that Israel has devoted any amount of resources against Golden Dawn? Any sustained media campaigns against this organization?
Cause they certainly have in the case of Hezbollah.
Why put anti-semitic in quotes like that?
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Are European settlers in Israel "Semites"?
That has nothing to do with my question. Do you question whether golden dawn is an anti-semitic organization?
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Ah yes, anti-semitic conspiracy theories. Zionists promoting Nazism. That's quite a classic. Only an inch removed from blaming Zionists for the Holocaust, because that helped with the establishment of Israel -- or arguing the Holocaust is a Zionist fabrication.
Can we ban this fool already? Then he can join his anti-communist Tankie friends at Soviet Empire.
Look up the definition of anti-semitism please.
Or etymological fallacy.
He probably meant to say anti-"semitic".
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It has everything to do with the question, unless you're trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, that is. Then the question is a very inconvenient one.
Their propaganda certainly conforms to classical European "anti-Semitism," which saw other Europeans who viewed themselves as being direct descendants of mythological figures like Abraham as being "Semites."
Hezbollah certainly doesn't see things this way at all. They see them for what they are; European settlers. This is made explicit in a lot of their propaganda.
Zionists have no problem with the former "anti-Semitism," but have a huge problem with the latter. Zionists have a long history of collaborating with the former, in fact, while slaughtering the latter. The latter tend to actually be Semitic people as well.
No it really has nothing to do with my question, golden dawn is active in Greece not Israel. Their views on Israelis is irrelevant as a result. You're playing some very entertaining games and everything, but I hate to tell you that it's already been run into the ground by people who were more creative than yourself on this forum. Just out of curiosity how do you feel about the rape of European women by soviet troops in world war 2?
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Let's summarise. Hardian supports Hezbollah, an anti-semitic, theocratic, far-right organisation, and he upholds anti-semitic positions himself: Zionists promote Nazism, Zionists collaborate with Nazism to promote Israel, Ashkenazim are not real Jews (common sophistic tactic to excuse oneself from any allegations of anti-semitism, and more importantly to deny any ties of Ashkenazim to the land of Israel/Palestine/Levant).
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Firstly, contextually you are right, and I whole heartedly agree with your attacks on Hadrian.
But there is a grain if truth in what he's saying: "Zionists" are not responsible for the European far right, but there is an UNDENIABLE sense of solidarity between groups known to be anti-Semitic in Europe and the US towards Israeli chauvinists. Anti Semites do not tend to care about an identifiable Jewish nation-state but the universal Jew - the rootless cosmopolitan. While many fascists are inherently opposed to Israel's existence, 21st century European Fascism outside of the sphere of Russian influence (rather prominent in Scandinavian countries) is uniquely pro-Israel.
"Zionists" are certainly not Nazis. Such a word is worthless and ambiguous (to prattle of "Zionism" is meaningless. Why is there a word reserved for those who do not call for Israel's unique destruction? Unless integration of Palestinians into Israeli society and granting them full civic equality is the destruction of Israel). Israeli chauvinists are degenerate reactionaries (while not Nazis) fervently opposed to the liberal world state apparatus (from the perspective of reaction).
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Indeed. Hence why Israel doesn't care anything at all about European "anti-Semitic" groups, even utilizing their existence to encourage more European emigration to Israel. But groups that are anti-Zionist they spend enormous resources militarily fighting and building world-wide media campaigns against.
I appreciate that you responded and everything but I questioned your use of the quotes because I thought you were going to defend golden dawn as not being anti-semitic. But then you went to an even deeper level of anti-semitism lol, suffice to say, I don't really wanna talk to you.
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Do you have any sources for you claim? In my personal experience, anti-semites/white nationalists/neo-nazis are virulently opposed to Israel, and support Hamas and Hezbollah (so many parallels between tankies and neo-nazis). Their main enemy is International Zionism, of which Israel is its headquarters.
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No jews are not european. Europeans have over the last 2000 years made sure that the jews will never be part of their fancy club of accepted ethnicities. And I suggest you to look antisemitism up. You'll notice that it's a) not hatred towards all semites but rather towards jews and b) that it's not a simple form of racism.
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