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10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman
Kind of harrowing really (if you are affected by street harassment, you may not want to watch this video).
A woman had herself filmed walking through NYC to make an account of the harassment women experience just walking in the street. This woman is an actor. She was harassed 108 times in a 10 hour period (and that figure does not include the catcalls and whistling). This video is some of the more sinister examples.
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people don't get why even "nice", "universal" comments aren't okay. It's all about context. As a guy, just ask yourself, would I say this to an 80 year old grandpa passing me by? If the answer is no: stfu you dickhead.
Liberal Dudes are guys who will jump up and down to tell you that they’re all about equality and prosperity for everyone, but then tell you about the strip club they were at the night before or about the awesome anal porn site they last jerked off to. Liberal Dudes are ready to welcome us into the boardroom, provided we’re still willing to dance on the conference table at the employee party. Liberal Dudes love “sex-positive” “feminists” because Liberal Dudes support women’s freedom and “rights,” up to and including our “right” to strip and to suck dicks for money. Liberal Dudes love to see women embracing pornorific behavior like pole dancing, pube waxing, porn watching, thong wearing, chick kissing, and boob flashing as a means to “empowerment,” because that’s exactly the kind of power they want us to have: the power to give them boners.
Yeah, I've seen so many people say "wow but some of them were just saying hi!"
That's daft nonsense. There's a difference between smiling and saying "hi, how are you?" to someone on the street to be friendly, and saying "hi girl how are you doin" in a way that is clearly not "just friendly".
Trying to mack on some random girl on the street =/= being friendly
You can even experience this online if people learn you're female. Brings back the memory of BolSickle... Also listening to my girlfriend and sister get hit on and sexually harassed pisses me off. I used to call people out on it but it lead to too many frustrating arguments with idiots who think its okay and nice to do that, or insist its what women want. I don't want to get harassed for being myself, and neither does anyone else
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
I agree. But what is the solution? That kind of behavior doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, and legally prohibiting it would be oppressive. Until our culture changes, this kind of behavior can only be seen as a symptom of an underlying problem; we can't treat the symptom, we can only try to treat the problems itself, somehow. By the way, I'm writing this on my phone, and can't see the video, so I'm only referring to the behavior Illegalitarian mentioned.
I'm afraid you've answered your own question. It's a cultural issue, an issue of the way women are viewed in relation to men in our society.
As such, it's something that can only be completely fixed by changing our culture radically, which can of course only be done through revolution, the dismantling of capitalism and patriarchy alike.
Some would of course argue that abolishing the former would lead to the collapse of the latter, but misogyny and sexism far outdate capitalism, which is why any sort of successful revolution must be intersectional
I completely agree. That's kinda the point I was badly trying to make in the other feminism thread, is that the oppression of women is but one aspect of society, separate from but closely linked with our exploitative, capitalist social structure, which also exploits men and children. The patriarchy is simply a social structure, woven into the capitalist system that is intended to maintain a male authority over women that almost definitely existed before capitalism. Even if the patriarchy was smashed as a structure, its underlying attitudes would still need to be addressed.
Personally, I believe that for any people to be equal, all people must be equal, which is what I meant in the other thread when I said that feminists can often be too narrowly focused, whenin reality, feminism should be but one part of a larger system of thought. In my opinion, it is impossible to be a true anarchist (my political leaning) without also being an advocate for feminism, LGBT rights, and the rights of every other oppressed group of people.
Apparently she's been receiving rape threats.
Way to go guys. That'll make this better. Totally.
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Indeed. If democracy without socialism is privilege and tyranny, feminism without socialism is liberal platitudes and empty theory
That's really weird ... here in the UK talking to strangers is forbidden, punishable by death!!! Or maybe in less extreme cases social awkwardness lol.
I'm just throwing this out there, but how many of the men who harassed her were non-white, I think I saw one or two white guys, but it seemed over proportionally people of colour? Although I could be wrong as I only watched it once.
Although that guy walking alongside her was creepy as hell.
"Without Revolutionary Theory, there can be no Revolutionary Movement"
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“Philosophy is, in the last instance, class struggle in the field of theory.”
― Louis Althusser, Essays in Self-Criticism
DAC, the massive majority of people living in NYC are POC. The instances of sexism had nothing to do with race.
ETA I haven't gotten to watch the video yet so I'm operating off the assumption that DAC is not misrepresenting the events in it.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Sorry, what?
I think he was making an observation rather than trying to imply anything nefarious about POC
Maybe I am a secret closet racist because that's what jumped out at me on first viewing? Then again FYI were I live isn't ethnically diverse by any stretch its about 95% white, so maybe that aspect of city living just got lost on me.
Saying sexism has nothing to do with race is actually a bit disingenuous if you ask me. Is it somehow biologically related? Nope.
Is it however maybe reflective of the social circumstances of ethnic minorities in America? Maybe it has something to do with dominant media portrayals of black men degrading women in rap music videos, pornography, etc. One of my undergraduate essays discussed such a topic.
I could be completely wrong of course, maybe the video shows equal amounts of sexism across racial divides, maybe it also is simply a case of the makeup of the city.
I was just curious, because America has some unique racial problems due to its social history and I was curious about that aspect of the video.
Ok I'll bite ... what, what?
Thank you.
"Without Revolutionary Theory, there can be no Revolutionary Movement"
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“Philosophy is, in the last instance, class struggle in the field of theory.”
― Louis Althusser, Essays in Self-Criticism
You watched a video about sexual harassment against women and the thing that jumped out at you was how they were all black?
It's very easy to say that you were making an observation, but why the fuck would that be an observation in the first place? What could possibly be your motive for doing that? Do you normally go around looking "observing" people's race?
I don't think there is any secret that you're a racist.
There is definite intersectionality between racism and sexism. I'm sure that if this woman had walked through a neighborhood that was dominantly white she might be met with the same responses, though it's hard to say. Could be something to do with race, but not in any sort of "black people are more sexist inherently" type of way.
It's a tough call, maybe someone who knows more on the matter will drop in
Because being observant of people's skin tones makes you racist? Where the hell is the logic in that?
D-A-C wasn't implying that the POC in the video harassing the woman were doing so because of their biological nature. He was using that observation to open up the discussion on how different cultures and sub-cultures differ in how they interact and portray women.
Fashionable avatar in solidarity with Five Year Plan.
Seriously, thank you.
My sentiments exactly.
"Without Revolutionary Theory, there can be no Revolutionary Movement"
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“Philosophy is, in the last instance, class struggle in the field of theory.”
― Louis Althusser, Essays in Self-Criticism
Let me be more clear: race has no effect on sexism in the same way your comment implies.
Your "observation" was anything but innocent, it seems.
Excuse me but drawing attention to the skin tone isn't really a good way to do that. If you were to say one culture seemed to do this or that sexist thing more while another race did another sexist thing more, that would be better (however IMO still not a useful observation), but saying that it seems that POC seem to do more sexist shit that white folks says to me that you wanna blame them for some shit.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Usually, yes. What is the practical purpose for observing someone's skin colour? I'm not being rhetorical, I am asking that question. Why would you observe someone's skin colour? What is the purpose of that? What motivates your intellect when people's race "jump out" at you? Of all the things that could jump out at you when watching that video, why the fuck would people's race be that thing?
Can you answer those questions? Can DAC?
Well, I'm trying to understand the motives here. So far they have not been explained.
So his observation was to start a discussion on how black people and white people harass women differently? Why? What possible reason would you have for trying to start that discussion? What possible difference does it make to anything...
