Mind Altering Drugs

[Stapler]

No, i'm not talking about LSD or Marijuana, i'm talking about Prozac, Valium, and Rydalin. Approximately 1 out of 5 kindergarteners are on Prozac, 60% of all the students in my school are on Rydalin or Prozac, and people are getting addicted to Rydalin's "Speed" like effect. Many parents are told (by teachers, not doctors) that their children have to take these drugs or they will not be allowed attend classes. These drugs are addictive, they make students docile, apathetic, and worst of all they are marketed to more, and more parents as a result of weakening drug laws. These drugs are a quick fix, their effect on the long term health of children will not be known for years, and their short-term effect on their minds is discouraging.

It is my belief that these drugs are being pushed by unqualified teachers, and advertised in child-rearing magazines for two reasons. A) By selling addictive drugs to children, and in some cases forcing them to take them, we are creating a large dependency on Rydalin, and other drugs. This dependency will result in millions, no billions in sales for major drug companies. B) These drugs pacify people. they make them apathetic, and ignorant. I, as well as a few contacts have noticed a correlation between interest in exiting, intellectual topics, and being drug-free (mood altering drugs), it is clear that there is a problem. Creating an ignorant, passive populace, which consumes vast quantities of Wal-Mart products, and McDonald's hamburgers is directly beneficial to capitalist profiteers. Who, not only want us to consume a great deal, but be ignorant of political causes, and to sit back in our Lay-Z-Boy recliners watching wars on TV.

[Individual]

On top of this thought. Think about the fact that they have only had these drugs for their so called 'ADD' and 'ADHD' for less then 10-20 years. However did these disorders just pop out of mid air in that time? Did children need these drugs 50-5,000 years ago? No. So why exactly do they need them in modern day? I can tell you I grew up a hyper child. I never needed drugs and I have succeed in life. I am not a crazy lunatic. The drug companies needed something to capitalize on, therefore having doctors diagnose a disease that is not even an actual disease. There is no positive way to know if you have ADD or ADHD. Why because there is no such thing as ADD and ADHD. Doctors give you a test with behavioral questions, and parents can be lured into using these drugs on their children because they are misled into believing their children have a problem.

What needs to be done is to educate people on the harms of these drugs. And the fact that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Although there are some people who are really mentally ill, I feel that this is just a pill for children who have neglegent parents who constantly wonder what is wrong with their kids. No, you kids don't need pills dipshit, give them a little fucking dicipline instead of planting them in front of the TV all day.

[MysticArcher]

yeah, they say my younger has ADD or whatever, I agree with AlwaysQuestion on this, it seems ridiculous

this reliance on drugs for a quick fix seems to be part of an increasingly common trend, I mean look at stuff like the Atkins diet, instead of exercising and eating right people turn to a quick fix

as someone who hopes to become a doctor I'm especially alarmed by the fact that the long term effects of these drugs are unknown

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr@Feb 4 2004, 08:13 PM
Although there are some people who are really mentally ill, I feel that this is just a pill for children who have neglegent parents who constantly wonder what is wrong with their kids. No, you kids don't need pills dipshit, give them a little fucking dicipline instead of planting them in front of the TV all day.

............And the survey says! UNGH!!!!!!!! WRONG!

Would you like to explain to me what discipline does when you have no imagination?

I'll tell you. It turns you into a militaristic retard.

We need to do a better job of letting the youth out into the big wide world.

[Individual]

Well for once, I am actually going to agree with Midnight Maruader on this one. Children do need discipline. You are telling me that if your child went and shot up a school, that you don't feel they need discipline? We should just send them out into reality to learn Ugh uh.

Kids are hyper because they get it from growing up at home. Some parents lead busy lives, or just don't pay as much attention to their beings as they should. The problem is some children that grow up with this, long for attention, and the result is being hyper.

Sure extremely harsh discipline is a bad thing. However kids need structure in their lives. Do not force what to do with their life, yet you need force rules of society on them. Parents that do not want to deal with their children, and simply put them infront of the TV, which is common, will grow up not knowing boundaries.

So I disagree that kids don't need discipline, think about what it would have been like if you had grown up and not been disciplined (hoping you are not some extreme anarchist). Children need to learn to be free, however still need the backbone in place to keep them together.

[Adamore]

i say there is nothing wrong w/ those kids they just need a good ass whoopin sometimes.

anti-deperssants are bad 4 ne one its just another way for the cappies to make money off of us. :angry: they tell u there is some thing wrong w/ u but its just LIFE and in life people have bad experiences thats all just get over it or u can self-medicate just smoke some pot and chill out everything will get better

[Eastside Revolt]

You are telling me that if your child went and shot up a school, that you don't feel they need discipline? We should just send them out into reality to learn Ugh uh.

Well my child wouldn't end up shooting up a school. I wouldn't sit him infront of the TV, then in his only experiences into the world, teach him how to kill.

Discipline is relative and is something much more effectivly coerced than forced. Many see discipline as smacking a kid upside the head when he does something stupid. Or sending a kid to boot camp.

Kids are hyper because they get it from growing up at home. Some parents lead busy lives, or just don't pay as much attention to their beings as they should. The problem is some children that grow up with this, long for attention, and the result is being hyper.

Kids are, always have been, and always will be, hyper.

However kids need structure in their lives. Do not force what to do with their life, yet you need force rules of society on them. Parents that do not want to deal with their children, and simply put them infront of the TV, which is common, will grow up not knowing boundaries.

Poeple (grown men and women included) are negatively effected by the busy, EXTREMELY STRUCTURED, lives we lead. Parenting is barely done by parents anymore, especially in the cities. Since this has been true for sometime, you end up with people who know nothing more than "the rules of society", trying teach teach a child about the entire spectrum of human exhistence.

So I disagree that kids don't need discipline, think about what it would have been like if you had grown up and not been disciplined (hoping you are not some extreme anarchist). Children need to learn to be free, however still need the backbone in place to keep them together.

I am not some extreme anarchist, however I am leaning that direction.

It depends, I agree with telling what is right and wrong, but I feel childeren should be aloud to make certain mistakes, for their own good.

[Anarchist Freedom]

i used to take rydalin and now i take metadate and i like the feeling it supplies me and i have snorted adorall it is insane but w/e.


ps im very high at the moment











CGLM!

[Individual]

Socialist Freedom has just proved another point (though failed to probably realize it)

How do you give speedy kids speed? Obviously snorting causes added effect, however the drugs themselves are not good for health. First time users often experience loss of appetite, loss of sleep, etc.

[BuyOurEverything]

I'm going to agree with redcanada on this one. Disipline is a poor substitute for adequatly raising a child.

You are telling me that if your child went and shot up a school, that you don't feel they need discipline?

How would you disipline a kid that shot up his school? Spank him? Send to his fucking room? If a kid does something like that, he/she has serious problems that need to be addressed by councilling and not by 'disipline.'

[Stapler]

Children are hyper for three reasons.

1. They are growing up, it is natural to be energetic, and high-stung during your childhood.
2. Children these days are eating crap. Dyes and additives wreak havoc on your body, and your brain.
3. Because of inactivity, after sitting infront of the boob tube for hours on end it is not inconceivable that you'd have a bit of energy left over.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by BuyOurEverything@Feb 4 2004, 10:04 PM
I'm going to agree with redcanada on this one. Disipline is a poor substitute for adequatly raising a child.

You are telling me that if your child went and shot up a school, that you don't feel they need discipline?

How would you disipline a kid that shot up his school? Spank him? Send to his fucking room? If a kid does something like that, he/she has serious problems that need to be addressed by councilling and not by 'disipline.'

Have you ever tried to counsel a three year old before?

[Individual]

Originally posted by BuyOurEverything@Feb 5 2004, 02:04 AM
How would you disipline a kid that shot up his school? Spank him? Send to his fucking room? If a kid does something like that, he/she has serious problems that need to be addressed by councilling and not by 'disipline.'

Well my child wouldn't end up shooting up a school. I wouldn't sit him infront of the TV, then in his only experiences into the world, teach him how to kill.

On top of both of your comments:

BOE- your right, someone who has done this, most likely needs something other than discipline. However it was an example. For instance, if your child, or any other child for that matter, decided to walk up and kick the late Guevara in the shin (assuming he was still around). Would you find this appropriate? Would you suggest counceling only because he kicked someone someone in the shin?

Most likely he wouldn't just need counceling, he would just need a quick discipline. What if you told your child not to watch tv and do his homework. Your child decides to watch tv for the rest of the day. Does your child need counseling? No. They need a quick discipline.

RC- Can you take an example? Lets say someone else's kid did it then.


My guess *keyword* is that both of you are still in your teen years. Nothing wrong with this. For when I was your age I was just as rebellious, however at you age you do not see the need for discipline. Parents are the devil because they keep you locked in your rooms on friday night so you aren't out getting high or commiting malicious activity. This is normal teenage activity, however parents try their hardest (well most of them) to keep you on a straight path in life.

As much as you may think discipline is not what is right for kids. Look back through history. You would probably not be who you are if your parents did not discipline. Discipline is necessary, not excessive or abusive. Children need guidance though.

[Eastside Revolt]

AQ,

I am not a teen, it doesn't bother me that you assume that.

Let's put it this way, I believe much more in self-discipline, than just discipline.

RC- Can you take an example? Lets say someone else's kid did it then.

Look I don't know what you want me to say..... Would it make you feel better if I said we should take the kid out and shoot them? :P

As far, as I'm concerned, those kids are victims of society, and there's not much of an answer for that, except that we might want to change our society.

[Al Creed]

Hay anyone, beside Socialist Freedom, ever been on Ritalin?

When I was 6 years old, the teacher suggested (more like pressured) my parents into putting me on Ritalin, because "I could not pay attention." When she would give lessons in a horribly outdated fashion, I would drift off, and start doing something else, like playing with lego.

Well, in the words of my second grade teacher, I "was a zombie." The drug had taken the character out of me, and she told my parents to get me off of ritalin, right away.

Later, It was discovered that the teacher had pressured the parents of HALF THE CLASS to be put on ritalin. No one ever questioned her teaching ability or her word on the subject. (Honest, she was a BAD teacher).

My dad has told me, numerous times, that listening to my first grade teacher and putting me on the drug were some of the biggest mistakes in his life.

Thanks to that second grade Teacher, I'm the somewhat zany Canadian you all know and tolerate

Obviously, I am against behaviour-modifying drugs, as well, I am against sending children to psychiatrists. To send a child to a shrink, you are subtly admitting you are afraid of confronting and talking to your children, and that you are a lazy, neglegent parent, who would rather pay for an over-priced pseudo-doctor in an Armani suit, than being a real parent.

[Eastside Revolt]

I was fully addicted to ritalin from age 13 to 19. I probably am still addicted I just don't touch the shit anymore.

[Tiki Man]

I am completely against mind-altering drugs, mind altering not including physical effects such as being drowsy, dulling of pain, or similar effects. My mother once asked me if I thought I had ADD, I said "Yes, of course I have ADD, but ADD never even existed before ritalin." People are becoming way too dependant on mind altering medication to be what society calls "normal". The most normal anyone can get is when they have no medication, imho.

[Purple]

I was on Rydalin for a while.... It kept me focused during the time of it's effect. But the only problem was that I couldn't focus on several things at a time, and I blocked almost absolutely everything out... When the effect faded I got really depressed, and it was at that time I started cutting myself seriously, and I'm still cutting myself today, cause I got addicted to it during that period... Sleeping was impossible, and if I actually could sleep I would wake up around four in the morning... At the end the side effects were so bad that I had to quit...