and your point is what?
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Unemployment is definitely an inevitable property of capitalism. It's an inevitable property of nature. Economists typically think of < 3% unemployment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_employment .
If you have "full employment" it usually means you are living in a police state.
I never said I like capitalism?
http://ppe.mercatus.org/
and your point is what?
No, it isn't property of nature. Both primitive communism and feudalism don't know concepts of unemployment. Unemployment is strictly connected to wage labour.
As Isle of Man?Ignorance really won't help you.
But you oppose the only real solution to problem of capitalism that is elimination of private property...
So what's your supposed solution of the problem that is called capitalism?
"Property is theft."
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
"the system of wage labor is a system of slavery"
Karl Heinrich Marx
The "The Germans deserved it" argument is shallow and arguably racist, as it justifies atrocities against innocent persons purely because of their nationality. Even most of the Germans who did support the Nazis had little to no idea of the concentration camps and other crimes carried out in the later years of the regime, and such things certainly weren't the reason why they supporter Hitler in the first place (rather promises to revitalise the economy, unite all ethnic Germans, etc.)
Individual actions of revenge, such as a Soviet soldier sexually assaulting a German woman, could not each be prevented, but the Allied and Soviet leaderships could have done a hell of a lot more to wage the war to a humane standard. eg Targeted bombing instead of carpet city bombing, harsher punishments for rapes and lootings, earlier release of German prisoners, and no programme of post-war expulsions.
yeah, they'd totally confess having known about it, lulz, what a tool you are. There were concentration camps all over the country, thousands and thousands. There were a ton of witnesses for public executions or when the inmates of the camps were driven out to do the forced labor. In the evening, many didn't return, so wtf are you even talking about. You can't get rid of so many millions of people without most of the population at least having a fucking clue.
Liberal Dudes are guys who will jump up and down to tell you that they’re all about equality and prosperity for everyone, but then tell you about the strip club they were at the night before or about the awesome anal porn site they last jerked off to. Liberal Dudes are ready to welcome us into the boardroom, provided we’re still willing to dance on the conference table at the employee party. Liberal Dudes love “sex-positive” “feminists” because Liberal Dudes support women’s freedom and “rights,” up to and including our “right” to strip and to suck dicks for money. Liberal Dudes love to see women embracing pornorific behavior like pole dancing, pube waxing, porn watching, thong wearing, chick kissing, and boob flashing as a means to “empowerment,” because that’s exactly the kind of power they want us to have: the power to give them boners.
Although correct, that's a pretty flippant way to engage this kind of subject matter, especially when that isn't even the main point. Their argument was that the mass rapes weren't justified, no matter the atrocities committed by the Nazis.
maybe you're interested in reading my post from page 3
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.p...3&postcount=56
why don't you tell Cerdic that the main matter's not "did the Germans know?"?
So he's allowed to claim sth that has nothing to do with that rape thing and I'm not allowed to answer?
Liberal Dudes are guys who will jump up and down to tell you that they’re all about equality and prosperity for everyone, but then tell you about the strip club they were at the night before or about the awesome anal porn site they last jerked off to. Liberal Dudes are ready to welcome us into the boardroom, provided we’re still willing to dance on the conference table at the employee party. Liberal Dudes love “sex-positive” “feminists” because Liberal Dudes support women’s freedom and “rights,” up to and including our “right” to strip and to suck dicks for money. Liberal Dudes love to see women embracing pornorific behavior like pole dancing, pube waxing, porn watching, thong wearing, chick kissing, and boob flashing as a means to “empowerment,” because that’s exactly the kind of power they want us to have: the power to give them boners.
You can do whatever you would like, to be frank. I just thought your zoning in on that common misconception in a flippant, belligerent way isn't really conducive to any kind of discussion on this. Some people honestly don't know how much the average German knew in WWII, yet assume that they do on the basis of commonly circulated misinformation. Calling said person a 'tool' isn't really a generous position to take on their likely intentions based on the surrounding argument, especially when they essentially share the same viewpoint that you have.
This comment looks like it came from the mouth of a fucking Nazi.
Okay, I should have been more specific.
Almost all Germans were aware that camps, whether concentration camps, foreign-workers camps, POW camps, or others, existed. There were so many thousands of these places all across Germany you'd have to be blind to not know about their existence.
What most Germans weren't aware of, or weren't sure of (there were rumours going around) were the infamously brutal aspects of the concentration camps - mass gassings, shootings, torture, medical experiments, and so on.
Anyway, even if they did all know, it wouldn't justify collective punishment purely on the basis of German ethnicity. The ones responsible for a crime are it's perpetrators, not bystanders or fellow members of the perpetrator's ethnicity.
I have a bizarre idea that capitalism and communism are compatible. No good?
http://ppe.mercatus.org/
Do you actually know anything about the Holocaust? Obviously not. Let me explain:
1. There was not a single extermination camp in Nazi Germany. There were eight extermination camps, six located in located in Poland, one in Belarus and one in Serbia (two of these were minor - Majdanek and Sajmiste, where 80,000 and 40,000 (aprox.) were murdered). While there were, of course, major concentration camps (Dachau, Belson, Buchenwald, among others) that had horrifying mortality rates (120,000, at Mauthausen - in Austria not Germany), we are talking about numbers dwarfed by death camps: Auschwitz-Birkenau (1.1m), Treblinka (800,000), Belzec (600,000), Chelmno (320,000), Sobibor (250,000) Maly Trostinets (200,000) camps. The difference between these camps, and the likes of Buchenwald, is that these were designed for industrialised mass extermination. And the Nazis kept them outside of Germany, out of sight and out of mind.
2. The majority of those who were murdered by the regime were not German. Of the 10 million+ murdered by the regime, Jewish German victims made up perhaps 1.5% of that figure, other German victims, brings that figure up to 3-5%. The vast majority of the victims murdered by the regime were Jews for Eastern/Central Europe, Soviet POWs and civilians, Ukranians, ethnic Poles, and so on, making up the majority of victims.
3. The Nazis also kept the existence of the Holocaust a secret from the German people, and even in their own documentation typically kept up the notion of mystery by refering to mass murder and slavery through euphamism. Moreover, when German's asked what had happened to their neighbors, many of whom had vanished, the Nazis contended that they had been 'relocated', and that the camps that did exist were prison camps for criminals, and, others with Jews/Gypsies/homosexuals were, in fact, more like holiday camps.
4. Most people, even when they did here rumours that there were mass deaths, starvation, privation and disease at the camps they were aware of, or elsewhere, put this down to propaganda - after all, not many people are really going to believe hushed whispers that their government is exterminating people. Nor are they going to necessarily believe that the BBC, which many Germans listened to in secret, was going to tell the truth about the regime.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
To comment on the OP, too fucking many.
Rape isn't justifiable under any circumstance, even as some twisted form of revenge like some of these sickos are suggesting.
Not every german female was a nazi flag waver.
Did they really have the technology to do that in those days? The fact that billions of dollars are still being spent on guidance systems for military ordnance, plus the fuss made over "collateral damage" (whereas they didn't even have the term back in those days) would seem to indicate that even with today's latest technology, "targeted bombing" is harder to achieve in the field than it is to achieve on paper.
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how is it every single one of these threads leads into someone being banned
what a grand revleft tradition
They didn't. In fact, when they tried it in Normandy In 1944 they were as likely to kill allied troops as they were axis. Strategic precision bombing in ww2 is a misnomer.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
- Hanlon's Razor
One of the most brutal extermination camps wasn't controlled by the Nazis at all, but the Ustashe in Croatia.
Allegedly when those over the camp had a letter sent to Himmler documenting and proudly telling him of their progress, even he was disgusted.
There seems to be a really... weird culture in Germany, around the subject of the holocaust. I don't know how to describe it, I certainly don't want to call it denial, but it absolutely seemed to be a very passe attitude.
When I visited Dachau, for example, there were little stands with information about the camp here and there which included some troubling language such as "this is where the nazis might have committed mass murder" or "the potential for mass murder"
The camp was built right next to the city and there were houses all along the side of the walls, but the guide said that no one was aware of what was going on despite the fact that there were constantly shootings and forced marches and the like constantly going on, so I find it hard to believe that these people did not have some semblance of what was up.
The guide said some other really weird remarks, like the over emphasis on the distinction between extermination camp and concentration camp, and the proud boasting that medical technology in the camps were so cutting edge that even the red cross was impressed, a few different times.
I'm sure this is just coincidence, but they opened up the crematory and turned half of it into a bathroom so you can uh... I suppose, do your business, right where they were burning the dead 70+ years ago.
What was not a coincidence, however, is the fact that apparently in the 60's there was a pub within the walls called the crematorium.
All of these things made the experience extremely jarring and I don't think I'll be back there anytime soon.
Buchenwald places equal emphasize on the Concentrationcamp period and the internment period of suspected nazi's after the war during the Soviet period.
In a nutshell, two wrongs don't make a right.
