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Obama Authorizes Air Strikes on "ISIS", and Inevitably Many Civilians
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...nst-isis-syria
Well, looking like there will be more air strikes in the Middle East by the US. My thoughts are with all the civilians who might be affected by this. Fuck Obama, his imperialist agenda, and his warmongering and blatant disregard for civilian casualties.
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To blame this on Obama is too simplistic.
True ... it's the way many blamed Bush for the disastrous Iraq war - of course he was complicit and had his responsibility, but focusing on him absolves the neocons around him who had been pushing for war. It's too simplistic of a way of thinking about liberal bourgeois institutions.
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Good point, fuck Obama AND all the other people behind the making of these decisions and and the creation of right-wing groups overseas.
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and what should be done about isis? let them burn iraq down and commit genocide without stopping them ?
Bombing or invading only helps them do that.
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No surprise there, the US once again took one of the most idiotic decisions regarding Islamist groups.
http://www.gazettenet.com/home/13486...-do-about-isis
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Mujahideen-->Al-Qaeda-->ISIS (it's not even it's final form!)
But really though the CIA or ISIS as it wants to be called in the Middle East is pretty sick.
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So I get that Obama bombing isis will cause civilian casualties and it seems most of us are against that, what do you guys think is a good solution? We can't just let them do what they're doing.
America is not the only faction in the region capable of fighting ISIS and many of the anti-Islamist factions are actually pretty powerful, but not invincible by any means.
I think we have go get out of this mindset of "Well what do you want them to do?" as if we see the USA as being some benevolent global police force that we just wish we had a bit more control over.
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I agree with this but even if America still feels the need to be there they should atleast do a good job or try too. What do I mean by this? During the war against Bosnia in the wake of the split of the Yugoslavia, America and UN forces felt the need to be there and then sat around while the Serbs offed 8k+ Bosniaks. Like that's really, really fucked IMHO.
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Yeah if anyone is going to burn Iraq down and commit genocide it's going to NATO goddammit. Let ISIS find it's own population to terrorize and humiliate, we called dibs on this one first.
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oh boy here we go
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I don't think that imperialist intervention can bring about any good solution. Basically bombing the Middle East and flooding it with arms makes it, unsurprisingly, more unstable. Do you honestly think that America's interventions have improved conditions in the Middle East?
The position for socialists to take in America and the other western nations is very clear; oppose the imperialist interventions of you own state.
It's not a difficult position to understand; stop dropping bombs on the Middle East.
Devrim
Obama has "executive action" so its really not simplistic to blame him for most things such as immigration, imperialism, or racist police because the executive has the power to enforce or ignore any law that it wants.
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Not to defend US imperialism or dismiss the fact that Obama has the blood of many civilians on his hands, but my impression is that the strikes against ISIS thus far have been isolated from civilian areas and that generally the targeting of ISIS militants has avoided civilian deaths due to their location and more easily distinguishable activities.
Their fighters are on the offensive for the moment so of course they are separated from civilians, but whats going to happen when they go on the defensive inside of the territory they control?
Are people really foolish enough to think anything about the combat doctrine of the US has changed with administrations? what a joke.
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I notice that you live in New York. It seems to me to be quite far from the Middle East. Now I don't know if the targeting of US bombs has improved, but the last time that they were dropping 'smart bombs' on Iraq, more than a few of them happened to land in Turkey. Now if a bomb is so 'smart' that it can't land in the country that it is intended to, I personally fail to see how they can manage to 'avoid civilian casualties'.
That is not even the point though. It is imperialist intervention that has caused this monster we have now, and every bomb they drop on ISIS ultimately will lead in the long term to more recruits to radical islamicist groups. If you fail to see this you are probably so shortsighted that you could get a job in the state department.
The position for western communist to take is quite simple; against your own countries intervention. All of the liberal heart wringing about dealing with ISIS ignores the fact that it is america's one creation.
It's not a difficult idea to understand; stop dropping bombs on the Middle East.
Devrim
Executive actions don't work like that, they're not a blank check. It does give the President a lot of freedom to act on these issues, but only to a point.
