Pros: got rid of Confucian bullshit and gave China comprehensive women's rights
Cons: roving bands of kids with guns running around breaking artifacts and shooting people
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Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution
What do peoples here think about the GPCR? What do you have to say? What was its impact? Pros? Cons? Interesting events or points of interests?
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Pros: got rid of Confucian bullshit and gave China comprehensive women's rights
Cons: roving bands of kids with guns running around breaking artifacts and shooting people
Ok so if you could substantiate this a little that's be cool. Do tell more of these as so called roving band of kids with guns.
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I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
Red Guards- fanatical Maoist students who went around with red books and beating up "revisionists" and anything mao was like "k nope" towards.
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Alright, thought as much, I actually like the concept of the Red Guard. What was so wrong with thems?
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"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
It was a situation of mass hysteria that resulted in the deaths of, hysterically persecuted, "revisionists" and "capitalist roaders". Thousands of people were lynched and beaten to death. It involved dirty power struggles between the Red Guards, armed forces, and Communist Party and factions within these groups. Its setup was voluntaristic: supposedly cultural change, toward a socialist culture, can be willed into existence and is a matter of consciously designed policy implemented by the upper layers of the state. It was designed to rehabilitate Mao, but gotten a lil' bit out of hand. Despite all this murdering and purging of revisionists, it took just one to get into power and reform 'back' to capitalism.
All in all, sucks.
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That doesn't really sound so so bad. I mean, can you cite your sources? I don't think people necessarily should be beat or killed but hey, a revolution is dirty business. You know. I am drawn towards the voluntaristic, hyper-collectivism of it all. I like the idea of a self-critical society to the extreme degree. What's so wrong about that? The radical upheaval of the old and fossilized?
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
Quite some time ago, some talented people invented a thing called a "Search function." You just type in what you want to search and it will show you all past threads made about the topic. Maybe you should consider it the next time you think about creating a troll thread.
Ok so idk who you are and idc but kindly stay the fuck out of my thread if you can't give me what I want and contribute in a meaningful way.
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"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
They weren't beating up actual counter-revolutionaries, they were beating up people that they didn't like. This is after the great leap forward had already failed...
The tactic does bear a similarity to those advocated by Bakunin, and I do think there is merit to the concept, but the abstract applied to reality shows a number of problems. Mao was probably correct about his enemies... Deng Xiaoping in particular. But smashing Confucianism didn't have to entail destroying priceless artifacts of China's past, burning books, and other anti-intellectualism. There was once when Mao relaxed the policies against criticizing him and the Party... the intellectuals, naturally, began critiquing. But the criticism was so large and harsh that the CPC ended up gathering up the names of dissidents and cracking down on them. Also, by the end, Mao was the one who had the Red Guards destroyed because they were becoming more and more "anarchic" to use a poor word...
Debatable. Who said the GLF failed anyway?
So aside from smashing historical artifacts and dodgy treatment of dissidents, what else was so bad? Are you sure the crackdown on 'criticisms' wasn't justified?
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
One issue with the Cultural Revolution is that it was highly exploitable. It was during this period that Jiang Qing and the rest of the Gang of Four were able to effectively seize political power. Mao's cult of personality grew to epic proportions during this era and all one had to do to claim one's deeds were correct were to claim they done on behalf of the Chairman. If people were still skeptical all you had to do was pull out a random quote from the Little Red Book and all of your critics were silenced.
As mentioned above in some ways the revolution had its fruits (the end of new Confucianism and the purging of remaining reactionaries), it also caused the indiscriminate destruction of numerous valuable historical/cultural artifacts and wrongful persecution of numerous Communist Party members who had stuck with Mao since the Civil War, purely because they put forward ideas that Mao even slightly disagreed with. Over the course of the two years the Red Guard had control of the Chinese countryside, roughly 36 million people were publicly humiliated, imprisoned and abused and nearly a million people were executed. In the summer of 1967, the Red Guard was smashed by the People's Liberation Army and any further student radicalism was branded "counter-revolutionary". This was not a people's revolution, this was more like a Chinese Inquisition, with Mao as a modern day Cardinal Richelieu and teenagers as inquisitors. In other words, this had the potential to be good but just wasn't.
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Mao said it failed. It almost got him kicked out of the government.
The crackdowns were not at all justified from an anarchist perspective or really from any perspective.
Justified from the perspective of edgyness. And I suspect that that is what Vox Poili-something is looking for.
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No, stop picking on me and my name choices and just talk. Fuck man. Why do people think I'm trying to be edgy? What's that even mean? I want to be like a knife? Tf
And it's Populi, Vox Populi, Mr Timothy CoRиIcantspeakLatinsoimmabemeantovozxyfornoreaso n.
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
I'd say the principal problem with the GPCR is that there wasn't enough government involvement in it. If they had helped organize the line, as they were already experienced in doing, they could have organically allowed the cultural revolution to finish its task.
It reminds me of American Reconstruction to a certain extent and how that was actively eroded by the government once it saw extremely progressive (by their standard too progressive) returns. Mao backtracked precisely because the GPCR threatened him.
I would argue the opposite that the successes of the GPCR was the very fact that was organic in nature due to the dry fact of its anarchistic character. Again, I think this is a very interesting experiment that needs more looking at. You know?
I'm not familiar with this American Reconstruction but I will say I do need to look more into this Mao and him ultimately saying the GPCR. It seems rather easy to say "oh, because his power was threatened," too easy, which is why I don't really buy it.
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
Do you ever post anything of substance or is it all just unfunny one-liners?
Do you people ever think before you post or are you content being this ignorant? If you want an audience for whines against my humor, posts or me personally, PM Rafiq, I'm sure he'd love to discuss with you at length. Moving forward, as much as it may shock you, this thread isn't about me (I know so confusing what with the thread title and all).
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
You're the one shitting up the forum, not me. This is what the Chit Chat forum is for.
