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"By what standard of morality can the violence used by a slave to break his chains be considered the same as the violence of a slave master?" (Walter Rodney, 1969)
easiest description is anarchist-communist but yeah, like a lot of folks here I take stuff from a variety of anticapitalist streams of thought and i prefer overall not to stick myself in a box. Aside from a tankie phase in my early teens I got interested in libertarian politics via SPGB stuff when i was about 18-19 (I was searching for parties in the UK that remotely lined up with what I thought) and whilst i can't say i'm a SPGB sympathiser they certainly introduced me to libertarian socialism so I can thank whoever sent me a bunch of old (like, fifty year old stock) pamphlets when I subscribed to the Socialist Standard for like a year for that.
He's right, though. Sure, we maintain a facade of ultra-Cannonite Trotskyism but when no one's looking, we get smashed, cry over a picture of our dear, unfortunately departed comrade Bordiga and wipe our dicks with a reproduction of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
In the world most people who identify as communists subscribe to 'Socialism with Chinese Characteristics'. Numbers of adherents do not represent a proxy for truth - if it did then Christianity would be right!
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To answer the poll question:
I have come to the conclusion that identifying with long dead political thinkers, movements, governments and movements is ahistorical and counterproductive. There was no 'us' and 'them' whomever you think those are back in 1917 because none of us or our close collaborators were around and politically active at the time. Questions of historical interpretation and loyalty to sides in generations old struggles should never take priority over critical, undogmatic, open consideration of the questions of political morality and priority of our time.
Adopting a tendency in reference to a long gone or greatly depleted movement leads others to dismiss their position due to presumed disagreements and encourages uncritical defense of the established line of that position.
So I don't claim to have a tendency.
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I think tendency is basically an irrelevant question unless one belongs to a party, and even then its usefulness is sometimes questionable.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
That's because if plain ol' Marxist was on there everybody would choose that cause Marx was cool beans.
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"Think for yourself; question authority." - Timothy Lenin
Im glad to be sectarian to anybody whose wrong about a majority of political science. Especially if they are discussing he world cup on the forum.
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
You also support NAMBLA. Your members are purposely disruptive at events we plan because of our supposed "reformist" anti austerity ideas regarding city college of SF. Also ultraleftism existed before bordiga..
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
I have a tendency to freak out.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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While I do not disagree with either of you
...there is a huge difference between debating a anarcho-communist and an anarcho-individualist for example.
Tendency places the discussion in context.
What's the "huge difference," though? Which positions one can read into the other person's arguments? The only way I can see it being useful is for one or the other to say that "That's not something an anarcho-communist/individualist would say," which is a valid point if someone is directly identifying themselves as such, but otherwise when it comes to individual debates the tendency shouldn't matter so much as the arguments themselves and the people making them.
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
The difference is the focus on the economic system and interpretation of analysis. This is not immediately apparant but Ac's and AI's usually tend to look at the same situation differently and intepret it differently. This results in different meaning of the same terms.
Come at me you self-righteous silly prick.
Oh yeah, broadly left communist. Or not that broadly; depends on the perspective.
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Seems like you know fuck all about the communist left. I might spell it out for you why this represents only a laughable confusion, but I'll let 870 (what a spectacularly terrible change in username) do that.
Also, there are functioning international organizations within this political current.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
Well, there is at least one thing the left-comms are better at: trolling. Cause these are some really poor attempts at it.
But if they don't participate in the high-point of class struggle that is the campaign going on at the San Francisco Community College, of what use are these organisations?
"What is necessary is to go beyond any false opposition of programme versus spontaneity. Communism is both the self-activity of the proletariat and the rigorous theoretical critique that expresses and anticipates it."
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"...Stalinism is eternally condemned to govern capital, and the ideological dynamics of Stalinism are tied to this peculiar type of capital management; it is locked within this framework, reproducing the logic of capitalism under the veil of communism. For this reason, Stalinism, and its various derivatives, cannot accurately be regarded as communist if we choose to define it in materialist terms." - Tim Cornelis
Don't forget they don't even recruit predominantly at college campuses and don't prepare their cadre for some NGO well paid positions. That just seems like poor business logic.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
Well you didnt answer his question. What is the left communist international actually doing?
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
Whose question?
What I did though was to refer to the idea that left communism exists on this forum and...in the Spartacists' case. Both points are utterly ridiculous. So I'm not surprised you'd try to shift the debate to e-dick swinging contest of "and what are you doing huh huh huh?". It's reasonable that you'd try to conceal your idiocy in this way.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
Youd be surprised to see how often the sparts sling the same buzzwords such as "reformist" and "right wing social democrat". They exist to sell their paper, bashing other left groups and acting more radical than everybody else, although when i ask them how their plan differentiates from ours on the main issues, they change the subject, like you just did. We are actually organizing while they disrupt our meetings, call us class traitors, and try to make themselves feel important.
Does this image ring any bells? Any discussion about SYRIZA devolved into this. Its devolved into slander as left communists claim my comrades are members of the SPD.
For student organizing in california, join this group!
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
