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UKIP and the 2014 Elections
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http://www.socialist.net/2014-electi...-coalition.htm
I thought he made some very good points about how people against UKIP should spend less time trying to fish out twitter quotes from their silly councilors and more time bringing some of the lesser known policies of UKIP to the forefront which would be very unpopular to most people, e.g. privatization of the NHS, sacking of 2million public sector workers, abolition of right to holidays for workers, flat rate of income tax, reducing maternity leave to one week etc.
I wish death on everyone who works for the Department for Work and Pensions.
agreed. they are taken as superficially by much of the left as they are by the disillusioned workers who voted for them but there is a lot beyond the pally charm and noise about pubs, smoking bans and their middle-englander racism and general bigotry.
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It's a shame that the opposition to UKIP doesn't take UKIP seriously enough. Whether the support for UKIP is superficial or not, if they get returns in the ballot box, their harm will be far from superficial.
What were Socialist Appeal doing during the election? Campaigning for the Labour Party?
I doubt it, they're always saying that Labour is too much on the right and that if they moved towards more socialist policies they would win back lots of their voters.
I wish death on everyone who works for the Department for Work and Pensions.
How were they advising their members/supporters to vote?
I'm not sure mate. I've only been following them recently on FB checking their updates. From what I've seen they're not endorsing any party but calling for a "Socialist Programme". Whether they intend to form a party and push it or are trying to influence existing parties like Labour to enforce them I don't know.
I wish death on everyone who works for the Department for Work and Pensions.
SAps are pretty entrenched in the standard Grantist position that the working class has an organic connection to the Labour party (it is more the case that the British left has an organic connection to the Labour party) and so groups like SApp should try to move Labour in a leftward position.
What I don't understand is why everyone is going around panicking because of these election results. Hearing some people talk you would think the UKIP is one Parliament fire away from being given dictatorial power.
It's just disturbing that they are being taken seriously at all in the media and by the general public, especially given the fact people don't know what they are voting for.Originally Posted by 870
I'd be tempted to say the same about the Labour Party.
Given that their policies are already being advocated by many members of the Tories and Labour, is that really surprising? "British jobs for British workers" is no less reactionary when a labourite says it.
I find it disturbing that anyone takes capitalism as a possible system for fulfilling human needs and organising society seriously. But I am not surprised by it.
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Well said.Originally Posted by The Ilder
admittedly no, it's not surprising. But the speed with which the public support has emerged is.Originally Posted by 870
thought this is more reassuring... people vote UKIP in European elections but not general elections.
Of course they do.
It's quite funny really, people vote UKIP as a protest vote in the Euro elections because they're unhappy with the EU so UKIP MEP's are sent to a meaningless parliament that they don't think should exist and in which they can do nothing about Britain's relationship with Europe. Then the general elections come around and the same people who voted for UKIP don't trust them enough on other things to run the country so they don't vote for them, but of course it's that national government that decides European policy and so the three main parties continue with things the way they are and then the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
Meanwhile police harass people because they're not white, the border agency harass people because they're not white then start kicking in their doors and sticking them in detention centres. British borders remain militarised and racist and people are sent on planes to be tortured. And still everyone points at UKIP and tells us that's where the real enemy is.
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31 mill people didn't vote
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Fuck UKIP. That's all I can say. Goddamn fascists.
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Parties like UKIP are only really winning the knee jerk votes, once people realise their real policies they'll soon lose faith.
Without the newspapers only telling the general population what they want them to hear, and once the Europe question is resolved, they'll be finished quicker than they appeared. They don't have anything real to offer the people.
I think the left does take UKIP seriously - it just also acts out of an entirely erroneous analysis of the group.
During the Euro-elections, the Socialist Workers Party and its friends in Unite Against Fascism spent considerable time and effort chasing Nigel Farage around the south-east of England, denouncing UKIP as 'racist' outside his speaking venues. Essentially they took their long-time approach to the BNP and simply applied it wholesale to what is a different trend on the right, both in terms of its social composition, ideology etc.
You can't shame or frighten people into not voting UKIP - you have to split their mass 'anti-politics' protest vote, often coming out of working-class communities, from the national-chauvinist, Tory hardcore of the party. This requires the offering of a consistent, positive alternative that speaks to people's needs. Working-class socialism or working-class conservatism: these are the choices, not a shrill denunciation of UKIP as anathema.
Unfortunately, the likelihood is that the Labour Party which Socialist Appeal looks to will instead adopt wholesale the general thrust, if not the exact details, of UKIP's attitude when it comes to blaming immigrants, foreigners and so on for the ongoing crisis.
^I think this is a much more important statistic to be thinking about
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