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Subcomandante Marcos is dead (not literally)
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/news...-subcomandante
Subcomandante Marcos as a hologram/persona no longer exists in an effort to prevent the EZLN and the ideology of Zapatismo from being Marcos, and to prevent Marcos from being them.
Seems like a good tactic to cut out the unintentional cult of personality that formed. It also reflects the changing strategy of the EZLN.
Note: THE MAN BEHIND MARCOS IS NOT DEAD, HE HAS CHANGED HIS IDENTITY.
Last edited by Slavoj Zizek's Balls; 9th June 2014 at 16:50.
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
why would you shun your own martyr and the only guy giving you any kind of PR and holding the organizations face together? its like if cuba should suddenly go "che gevara was a douche we have no connection to him". way to backstab a dead guy.
Huh? What do you think happened because I think you misunderstand.
Freedom before Peace
He's not literally dead. Marcos is just an identity. The man behind Subcomandante Marcos has changed his identity to Subcomandante Galeano.
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
It's less an attempt to shun a valued leader and more of an attempt to put out there that anyone can be a valued leader. Figureheads and cults of personality are detrimental to the liberation of the proletariat as a class.
Other socialist figures have had similar thoughts, for example: "I am not a Labor Leader; I do not want you to follow me or anyone else; if you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I led you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition; as it is now the capitalists use your heads and your hands." - Eugene Debs
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
What's the point in changing his name if everyone knows his new one?
how do i travel to chiapas and live work there and help keep zapatistas going
I'm sorry? Come again?
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
He can't just say "lol I'm Galeano now" and be done with it. People will still see him as Marcos.
The explanation of what purpose Marcos served had an impact on me when I read it. I no longer see him as 'Subcomandante Marcos'.
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
Well he received the name Marcos in the same way so I think people can view the person formerly known as Marcos in a different light. It's a tradition of carrying on a legacy and showing a turn in the EZLN's approach publicly.
Freedom before Peace
what.. what?
also Marcos was just like a flagship thing? like Uncle Sam is to USA?
im very confused. is he dead or did he change his identity? Galeano just doesnt ring very well...... Maybe its a getting used to thing.
The subcommandante formerly known as Marcos has become Insurgente Galeano. He changed his nom de guerre for two reasons: to honor the fallen comrade Galeano, and to signal a shift from his former persona and PR work to his new, less visible persona and the EZLN's new PR campaign.
I will admit though that I'm taking a while to get used to his new identity and to really start to think of him as Galeano.
"Let Racist ignorance be ended,
For respect makes the empires fall!"-Bragg's Internationale
Marcos IS literally dead, in that Marcos was a character on the "world stage" who has passed away. The meat, flesh and consciousness of the person who played Marcos is still alive, but Marcos is dead. We should not think of Marcos like we think of Lenin or some other revolutionary leader, because he was never that - he was a spokesperson chosen by a movement which did not want to identify the public voices of their leaders with individuals.
Anyone who doesn't understand this probably doesn't understand why a "false" identity like Subcommandante Marcos was chosen over the "actual" identity of the person who "played" his part.
Socialist Party of Outer Space
Literally in this case means that the person behind Marcos is dead. Hence why I said not literally. To literally kill someone means to end the life of that organism. The organism is not dead, just the label.
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
Why is this event so cloaked in mysticism? I think there's a pretty good reason people are confused over this.
"What is necessary is to go beyond any false opposition of programme versus spontaneity. Communism is both the self-activity of the proletariat and the rigorous theoretical critique that expresses and anticipates it."
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"...Stalinism is eternally condemned to govern capital, and the ideological dynamics of Stalinism are tied to this peculiar type of capital management; it is locked within this framework, reproducing the logic of capitalism under the veil of communism. For this reason, Stalinism, and its various derivatives, cannot accurately be regarded as communist if we choose to define it in materialist terms." - Tim Cornelis
So the zapasitas... Pretty clear at this point it is nothing more than Soft maoism anarchists think they can jerk to without sacrificing principles.
"We must flee from Time, we must create a life that is feminine and human - it is these imperative objectives that must guide us in this world heavy with catastrophes."
Jacques Camatte, Echos from the Past
"For example, to say that the relation between industrial capital and the class of the wage workers is expressed in precisely the same way in Belgium and Thailand, and that the praxis of their respective struggles should be established without taking into account in either of the two cases the factors of race or nationality, does not mean you are an extremist, but it means in effect that you have understood nothing of Marxism."
Amadeo Bordiga, Factors of Race and Nation in the Marxist Analysis
I have no idea. It seems simple to me, Subcomandante Marcos is an identity. That identity has been removed and replace with Subcomandante Galeano. This happened to curb and ultimately remove the meshing of the EZLN and Zapatismo with the identity of Subcomandante Marcos, to remove the unintentional cult of personality and celebrity status of the identity.
"Quotations are useful in periods of ignorance or obscurantist beliefs."
- Guy Debord (Panegyric)
"Guided by the Marxist leader-dogmas of misbehaviourism and hysterical materialism, inevitably the masses will embrace, not only Groucho Marxism, but also each other."
- Bob Black (Theses on Groucho Marxism)
"I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."
- Slavoj Žižek ("Year of Distraction" lecture)
Given that the ELZN has, for many years now, functioned as the hippest and biggest reality show on Earth, the mysticism is there primarily for marketing reasons. Revolutionaries change their names in secret because they're afraid of being caught. "Holograms" change them in public, ostensibly to negate their personality but really to affirm it.
Emphasis mine. Source: http://rabble.ca/news/2014/06/death-...enous-autonomy
