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Illegal Speech
So I heard the in South Korea it's illegal to say anything pro DPRK. I think it's in some BS defense bill. Anyone else know anything about this?
Che's life is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom. We will always honor his memory. ~ Nelson Mandela
I never heard of anything about this, even from my father who was stationed in South Korea in the '80s. I can believe such bullshit exists, and in other places around the world. I'm sure eventually in the USA 'freedom of speech' (something I don't believe in) will be curtailed by the state.
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
As much as I hate the DPRK, I wouldn't be surprised at the law. I've never heard of it though and you could be misinformed. Although South Korea does have a history of harsh dictatorships, so restricting freedom of speech also wouldn't be surprising.
The artist formerly known as Ace Steel
Just a question based on what you've said: Do you believe in freedom of speech?
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
Yes I do. However, I do consider harassment to be a form of violence. For instance, I wouldn't ban the book, Mein Kampf. Although, if a Nazi group wanted to have a march, I would crush it with a vengeance.
The artist formerly known as Ace Steel
So therefore by crushing this Nazi group you're against freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is a construction. To ban literature and speech would require a state, and for a state to exist and to hold authority, people must consent to this, and this consent is usually forced. Then it gets normalized, and so people think a state is a normal construction despite the fact that states are very resent constructions. I don't believe in the freedom of speech of Nazi's, I'd restrict them from harming people violently with another group of people, so that they cannot cause any harm. Also, when communism is achieved the things that create ideologies such as fascism and liberalism will have been uprooted, and thus destroyed.
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
I'm confused though xD
You're saying it's restricting freedom of speech to crush a Nazi march. My argument is that this isn't restricting speech. This is restricting action. Any action which causes violence must be restricted as that isn't speech.
But then you seem to agree with me later in your paragraph. I must admit, it's sometimes hard to find the line between speech and action. But I believe my criteria is pretty accurate and would be agreed upon by a lot of people. I could be wrong though.
The artist formerly known as Ace Steel
Everywhere it is the police who do the whipping and the one in rags who gets whipped. And then the people who sit smugly at their well-laden tables are surprised when someone rocks the table, overturns it, and shatters everything to fragments.
tú eres muy pequeño. (To add further confusion, for it has no purpose in this discusssion.)
In essence, it's restricting both the idea of freedom of speech, and its restricting their actions. They will insist that its their 'right' to say what the hell they want and they'll insist it's freedom of speech to emit hate speech from what are apparently mouths. (musn't forget fascists are human...)
I do agree with you, but in the case of freedom of speech I don't. I'm against freedom of speechIf anything I hope I expanded upon what you said, and I could be forgetting what I said
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
I think I do understand what you're saying. You're saying that the fascists whose march I want to crush will whine about freedom of speech. Therefore, you're saying fuck freedom of speech. I can understand that. I do like freedom of speech but that's because I don't classify that particular thing as freedom of speech, it's an action. Anyway I think we agree, I think the problem is semantics lol.
In essence, it's restricting both the idea of freedom of speech, and its restricting their actions. They will insist that its their 'right' to say what the hell they want and they'll insist it's freedom of speech to emit hate speech from what are apparently mouths. (musn't forget fascists are human...)
I do agree with you, but in the case of freedom of speech I don't. I'm against freedom of speech
The artist formerly known as Ace Steel
I'm against "freedoms". Come at me, bro.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
You anti-freedom Stalinite, I'm banning you on my forum now
I think you should elaborate Echo
"But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first free-thinker and emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge." ~Mikhail Bakunin
Back in 2013, Lee Seok-ki from the Unified Progressive Party was accused of plotting to overthrow the Korean government should the South go to war. It would have been like the Republican Party decided to arrest Chris Hedges for trying to violently overthrow the United States government to replace it with a Stalinist government.
The president, Park Guen-hye also used the intelligence service to manipulate opinions during the election, even on the internet and her administration has been going on a privatization rampage, most notably with the transportation system that resulted in pretty huge protests that failed.
Fun fact about Park Guen-hye, her father was Park Chung-hee who was a dictator of South Korea who embarked on some pretty grim industrialization programs and sent 320,000 troops to Vietnam. He was eventually assassinated.
Last edited by Atsumari; 10th June 2014 at 21:41.
It, apparently, extends to anything perceived as critical of capitalism. Oh Se-Cheol, a left-communist and economist in South Korea, was, iirc, prosecuted on the basis of that National Security bill back in 2008.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
By the KCIA no less (I do so find the direct derivation of the name of its inspiration amusing). Today Park (the dictator) is rather well-liked however, and I suspect part of the success of his daughter is the history of her father.
The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way.
ex. Takayuki
That's scary as fuck.
Do anti-capitalist South Koreans on the internet have to fear going to prison?!
The artist formerly known as Ace Steel
My guess? Probably.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Although I condemn any support for daddy Park's legacy (or support for almost anyone for that matter), I cannot say I blame many of the conservative Koreans for liking him the same way we like Washington and Lincoln. In Vietnam, the South Koreans troops were pretty b̶r̶u̶t̶a̶l̶ impressive and he did industrial the country. A young country has to have at least one hero in the cesspool of shitty leaders, especially if you are a conservative competing with Kim Dae-jung
Last edited by Atsumari; 8th June 2014 at 23:54.
here's an article explaining the case #ff0000 was referring to.
http://en.internationalism.org/node/4172
Everywhere it is the police who do the whipping and the one in rags who gets whipped. And then the people who sit smugly at their well-laden tables are surprised when someone rocks the table, overturns it, and shatters everything to fragments.
I'm not surprised. South Korea is being portrayed by the US bourgeois propagandists as a beacon of freedom and prosperity and proof of the supposed triumph of capitalism over "communism," (which is not a label I want to give to crackpot Stalinism), and these aren't exactly the most honest people in the world. As for freedom of speech, I don't think there's any country where this truly exists, and I don't think this can happen with a state. As long as there is a state there will be propaganda to keep people under control, and as long as there is propaganda freedom of speech will be restricted.
