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Too politically correct?
A thing i have noticed lately among communists is that they are very open to different races,genders,religions, and ways of life. This is great and i was reminded of this when i was ranting about being called gay and a member said "Why is it a problem being called gay if being gay isn't an insult?". The right wing is notorious for discriminating against race and genders.
I live in a town that is 2/3 conservative in rural Pennsylvania with a population that is 90% white and 99% straight. Because of this, racist and/or sexist jokes are thrown around and joked about. For example, my white coach made a joke about my black friend stealing a bus and everyone including my black friend was laughing. Heads would have exploded in anger in liberal SoCal (South California) and the coach would have been fired. Slurs like "nigger" and "pussy" and "queerbag" are dropped daily. These terms become watered down after being used and everyone is used to them in jokes.
About 2 months ago, i used the term "pussy" and got a infraction for sexism. My point is, arn't we commies just a bit too politically correct that we can't stand a kindhearted if maybe dark joke? The stereotype about blacks stealing was in my coach's joke but can't we embrace the stereotypes instead of hiding behind politically correctness? I may get banned for "Racism and Discrimination" but can't we all just lighten up a bit?
Well, there's a line between joking around and behaving in a reactionary manner - and crossing that line shouldn't be tolerated.
If someone calls someone "gay" meant as an insult, he's perpetuating the idea that being "gay" is some bad thing, and therefore continuing the only thing which allows discrimination against homosexuals to happen worldwide.Originally Posted by TheCommunistManifestor
Well the behavior of the people in your town is unacceptable. I mean c'mon. They sound like a bunch of ignorant fucks.
BUT, that being said, I agree with the premise. Someone on this forum the other day got berated for saying the word "twat", yet literally today a few hours ago, another user said the word "twat" and everyone was completely fine with it. I could drop the names of those users, but that would be a bit immature.
I agree though, people get too fucking offended at things that are clearly not meant to be offensive. I don't want to live in a world where I have to be terrified of what people will get offended at next. It almost feels like a fucking group therapy session sometimes with all this touchy-feely shit.
And I love how stupid liberals think it's offensive to call people "white" or "black." I had a black friend from Jamaica and he used to get so irritated at the word "African American." When people referred to him as that, he would say, "actually I'm black. I'm from Jamaica." And then I run across the occasional person who will call white people "caucasian." Holy shit.
"Political correctness" is a term reactionaries use when they're called out. I bet you're a straight cis white man.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
Yes i am in fact a white male. Does that really matter? Middle Eastern men also discriminate if not more. Heck, even AFRICANS had African slaves. Discriminating isn't just a white male thing. We also discriminate. We hate on the Bourgeoisie. We also hate on racists just because of their beliefs.
Dude, you sound like a conservative. That's my point. From being a straight cis white man to talking about "PC" to pointing out "Africans had slaves", you sound like every conservative I've ever known.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
Yes because that is probably my rural isolated racist "only good commie is a dead commie" self. I am actually a Social-Democrat that is not racist or sexist and i actually listen to Johnny Rebel for comedic purposes because of how stupid the southeastern racists are.
Saying something like 'pussy' to refer to somebody being a wimp is terrible if you think about it. Just take a minute and think about the origin of it.
It's basically used as an insult to men because of their perceived emasculation (ie. their 'girlishness'). First off, this is wrong because it conforms to regressive prejudices of what it means to be masculine, feminine, man, or woman. It's like the term 'Man up'. Who are you to tell me what a 'man' is supposed to act like?
Second off, it basically equates femaleness with their genitalia. Yeah, tell me that's not fucking objectifying. A woman is not a 'pussy', a woman is a woman.
I don't only push for political correctness (or whatever you wanna call it) so people don't get offended (you're right, often they don't offend people), but because there's an end goal behind it. If you want to abolish gender prejudices (hint: you do), you can't go around calling people a 'pussy'. It don't fucking work that way.
Aren't social democrats supposed to be restricted? If they aren't, let this thread be a testament to why they should.
While I think we should demand equal accountability, I think context does matter. So maybe one instance of the word "twat" actually wasn't a problem (without knowing the context I can't say. If in fact they were both offensive then I'm kinda annoyed that the second user got away with it scot free)?
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
Yeah, see I can jump on board to criticize it if it's consistent. But I think context matters too, but I've been berated for saying that as well. I REALLY want to link you to the thread, but that seems childish I guess. But it just irritated me that when one user says it, it's awful, but when another user says it, it's cool.
Dude i am Communist in everything but name. I am only one step left away from being Communist because i am not dedicated enough to take up arms against the bourgeoisie so i am shunned as a reformist. I'm not gonna lie and say i am a communist but i sure as hell am close.
I don't think you understand what communism is.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
First of all, not wanting to personally participate in a violent revolution does not stop you from being a communist.
Second, not all communists approve of a violent revolution, this was addressed in a recent thread.
The only requirement to being a communist is liking communism.
Which is the same thing that happened to the Social Democrat Party of Germany which was originally a bunch of marxists that didn't want to rebel which eventually became the Social Democrats because the term Communist doesn't really get you votes. They were communists in all but name until after ww2 when they became socialists.
Go ahead and PM me the relevant posts/info. I'm curious :P
I don't even what is this
You are a reformist.
What is communism to you?
Just... No. No. Socialists are communists.
Also that isn't why they were social democrats. And... Oh god... The stupid... I feel it's weird clumsy grip on my heart...
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
"Politically correct" actually means that one is declining to participate in the culture of oppression. Using gender specific insults reinforces gender norms and in particular that female and weakness are synonymous. That idea is part of a larger culture of discrimination that actually hedges in men and women. Women are seen as weak (despite the evidence to the contrary) and men are never allowed to be anything that one might see as weak.
I think words and actions should be consistent, so no, I don't think anyone is "too politically correct" for not using racist or sexist language. Obviously people are human, but if one is anti-racist or anti-sexist than one's words and actions should reflect that.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
I find it very disturbing to take those jokes and remarks from literary everyone in town and vice versa telling them to anyone. This "politically too correct" thing comes from people who most certainly aren't aware of what oppressions the people they're joking about went and still go through. I myself have some people very close to me whose attitude I know, and in a certain context something may be okay, e.g. them joking about balkans stereotypes (since I'm from there) or the guy I like who's a total feminist making some sexist remarks only in my presence and knows how I will take them, and yeah, sometimes I find that funny as hell. But only because I know the person behind the joke well enough to be completely sure that is nothing they would really support or believe in.
Liberal Dudes are guys who will jump up and down to tell you that they’re all about equality and prosperity for everyone, but then tell you about the strip club they were at the night before or about the awesome anal porn site they last jerked off to. Liberal Dudes are ready to welcome us into the boardroom, provided we’re still willing to dance on the conference table at the employee party. Liberal Dudes love “sex-positive” “feminists” because Liberal Dudes support women’s freedom and “rights,” up to and including our “right” to strip and to suck dicks for money. Liberal Dudes love to see women embracing pornorific behavior like pole dancing, pube waxing, porn watching, thong wearing, chick kissing, and boob flashing as a means to “empowerment,” because that’s exactly the kind of power they want us to have: the power to give them boners.
Most people don't want to be known or seen as stereotypes. But enforcing political correctness for it's own sake does would only cover up problems such as racism, sexism, homophobia etc. The real question is whether you can get someone to voluntarily change the way they think- not just what they say.
