Poll: Will there be murder in communism?

[Tim Cornelis]

Let's test this, Will there be murders in communism?
Some say murder will cease completely in communism (vote no)
Some say murder will still happen in communism (vote yes).

[tachosomoza]

Will there be mentally ill or violently angry people who would be driven to take the life of another? Of course, there always have been. Communism is a change in the fundamental basis of society and a classless, moneyless, stateless order, not a change in the fact that some human beings are wont to do horrible things like kill for no reason. There won't be any of the problems present in capitalism that would cause an otherwise normal, stable human being to kill out of desperation, like draconian drug laws or generational poverty, however.

[Sinister Intents]

I'd say murder will still occur, but hopefully to a lesser degree....

[QueerVanguard]

If you want to believe murder and rape are non-historical aspects of a fallen human nature, like the conservatives, then sure. If, however, you're a materialist and understand these unfortunate things to result from sordid social relations that are scheduled to end with Communism, vote no.

[Buzzard]

I don't think communism would be the end of murder, I mean, there are more ways a murder could happen, outside of economic incentive

[Buzzard]

Communism would probably end the drug war as well as the murder that happens due to poverty conditions, but you still have cultural, and personal differences

[Zukunftsmusik]

Is this a joke?

EDIT: I found the other thread, so I guess apparently not.

[Remus Bleys]

Communism is like this perfect utopia where everything goes exactly as planned and nothing bad could ever happen because communism is great!
In all seriousness murder would probably drastically reduce. There are various reasons for murder, though, and I don't think that a world without murder is achievable simply by communist relations. Fuck people who go on about the human condition, human nature is a nonsensical thing that is always changing - a world without murder is possible, but it is ridiculous to think that this will follow solely by communist relations.

edit:

Is this a joke?

Knowing Tim (second edit - Tim the revleft poster that is), probably not - he just wants to show everyone how super-rational he is and how he realizes communism isn't the key to everything/isnt the solution to history (this view, of course, wasn't held by a particular somebody who's birthday was yesterday).

[Sinister Intents]

Animals still kill each other for various reasons in nature. Most likely the human animal will still kill others of its kind and the other creatures occupying this fragile, blue world we call Earth.

[QueerVanguard]

Is this a joke?

No more of a joke then asking if racism, sexism, rape or nationalism will end with Communism. I happen to believe they will and I'm sure you'd agree. So why is murder some exception?

[DOOM]

No more of a joke then asking if racism, sexism, rape or nationalism will end with Communism. I happen to believe they will and I'm sure you'd agree. So why is murder some exception?

So murder is a (through using materialist methods) explainable phenomena, like capitalism or it's superstructural phenomena?

[Zukunftsmusik]

No more of a joke then asking if racism, sexism, rape or nationalism will end with Communism. I happen to believe they will and I'm sure you'd agree. So why is murder some exception?

Disregarding, of course, that sexism and nationalism are real systematic political realities, whereas "murder" isn't a category comparable to these at all. Murder happens for a lot of reasons, some murders happen as a direct or indirect effects of capital, others not. Communism won't make men angels.

[Tim Cornelis]

Knowing Tim,

Well you do not.

probably not - he just wants to show everyone how super-rational he is and how he realizes communism isn't the key to everything/isnt the solution to history (this view, of course, wasn't held by a particular somebody who's birthday was yesterday).

Eh no, I wanted to know how common the belief is that murder disappears with communism because of that discussion. But fuck you I suppose.

[tachosomoza]

No more of a joke then asking if racism, sexism, rape or nationalism will end with Communism. I happen to believe they will and I'm sure you'd agree. So why is murder some exception?

There is no nation or state in communism, so there can be no nationalism. There is no race in communism, so there can be no racism. The capitalist, bourgeois family and religion that subjugates females will be abolished, so there can be no sexism. To abolish mental illness which leads one to commit heinous acts like murder, you would have to abolish humanity. While murders that are caused by poverty or hatred of race, ethnicity, sex or nationality will not happen, murders caused by the perpetrator's mental state will still occur and will have to be dealt with.

Humanity will be free from capitalist alienation and exploitation, but it still will be humanity.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Eh no, I wanted to know how common the belief is that murder disappears with communism because of that discussion. But fuck you I suppose.

Remus' wording is a bit ambiguous, I'll admit, but I think he's speaking for your case more than anything.

[Tim Cornelis]

Remus' wording is a bit ambiguous, I'll admit, but I think he's speaking for your case more than anything.

Nah, he's become a real arrogant douche lately.

[Loony Le Fist]

Let's test this, Will there be murders in communism?

What would cause there not to be murder under communism? I could see how there might be a significant reduction, but certainly not a complete cessation.

[Thirsty Crow]

Humanity will be free from capitalist alienation and exploitation, but it still will be humanity.

Eh here it is again, that ugly and reactionary human nature argument, the stuff of conservatives' (wet) dreams.

How do you not see it? Must be your Proudhonist anti-liberation idealism.

[Naroc]

Of course, murders will still be there. To say that the existence of murder amongst humanity would vanish - as soon as communism has established itself - is quite utopic .

This would require that all kinds of murder are connected or caused by the current capitalist system. But history and common sense teach us that there are (sadly) LOTS of reasons why humans bump each other off.

[Rugged Collectivist]

Eh here it is again, that ugly and reactionary human nature argument, the stuff of conservatives' (wet) dreams.

How do you not see it? Must be your Proudhonist anti-liberation idealism.

So mental illness, jealousy, and anger will cease to exist under communism?