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SPGB Euroelection broadcast for Wales
This will be of interest and, if I'm not mistaken, a historic first for revolutionary socialism in that part of the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5sp...ature=youtu.be
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Video is pretty slick. But if you don't mind my asking, what's the historic first you're referring to? Surely other revolutionary socialist groups have run for the EU parliament in Wales?
..not sure how 14 candidates in a Euro election are going to lead to the World Socialism mentioned, but a nice vid compared to other election broadcasts.
They never said that the Euro elections are gonna magically bring socialism...
If they actually agitate for socialism in electoral campaigns, people here whine that the said campaign won't bring socialism. If they don't, and do a moderate campaign, the same people whine that they are leaving out radical discourse. gah
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I would appreciate a reference. It would be very interesting to see such a broadcast
Good for them, I guess.
I mean, it's OK but why is there a conspicuous lack of LGBTQ representation on the video? Like why weren't our interests included in their vision of a better world beyond capitalism? From the looks of it, their World Socialism or whatever they call it seems restricted to a bunch of privileged old white people and one token POC. Not very representative of the world if you ask me. I can tell you that that video wouldn't encourage me to look further into them -- I would just assume they are another group unable to see how they are stuck in a fundamentally patriarchal white supremacist paradigm, and they may be for all I know.
Noel Ignatiev: "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity"
Marquis de Sade: "You young maidens, too long constrained by a fanciful Virtue's absurd and dangerous bonds and by those of a disgusting religion, imitate the fiery Eugénie; be as quick as she to destroy, to spurn all those ridiculous precepts inculcated in you by imbecile parents"
Well, the SPGB explicitly rejected the slogan of an end to the discrimination of lesbians in one of their execrable texts on "women and socialism" (I believe). The best they can muster is "in socialism no group will receive unequal treatment as a result of their gender of sexual preference", a statement any liberal would happily undersign.
But yeah, someone please vote for them, it might keep them quiet a bit.
I can't say that I'm all that surprised. I mean, I'm trying to give these folks the benefit of the doubt and just hope they are behaving like most other electoral "Socialist" parties in using opportunistic populist rhetoric as a way to get their candidate's lily-complected, plump derrieres into a parliamentary seat, but I can't help but sense an underlying failure on their part to genuinely understand issues like LGBTQ oppression, sexism, white supremacy and so on. This is one of the main reasons I've stayed out of politics over the years.
Noel Ignatiev: "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity"
Marquis de Sade: "You young maidens, too long constrained by a fanciful Virtue's absurd and dangerous bonds and by those of a disgusting religion, imitate the fiery Eugénie; be as quick as she to destroy, to spurn all those ridiculous precepts inculcated in you by imbecile parents"
In the sense of a party political broadcast. Personally, I think this one is like a breath of fresh air, compared to most. As for the other points on this thread, I think you have to be reasonable and bear in mind the time constraints. There is not much you can say in 2 min 40 sec but I think the video pulled it off reasonably well under the circumstances. Good on 'em, I say...
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You'll have to forgive me for this then, but don't you think that it's a little presumptuous to claim that the SPGB running in an election and releasing a video are "historic first[s] for revolutionary socialism" in Wales and SE England?
No, once again, the "historic first" relates to the "party political broadcast" bit. I may, of course, be wrong but that is for others to point that out (with the relevant evidence) to show that some other revolutionary socialist party has got there first. I only stated what I believed to be the case but Im quite amenable to being corrected. Its really no big deal as far as Im concerned....
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Can I just ask how you know that none of the talking heads were LGBTQ?
We do, though, concentrate on campaigning for the abolition of the wages system, and don't insist on sticking our oar in to every other campaign that's going. The Socialist Party is a specialist tool for a specialist job.
Your ageist remark is quite staggering, not to mention inconsistent, considering your concerns about discrimination towards LGBTQ people. You're also completely off track with your suggestion of tokenism.
The comrades who appeared in the video were all volunteers who just happened to be available on the day of the shoot. Their age or colour is totally irrelevant.
While I generally have little time for the SPGB and find the idea of this being an 'historic first' laughable, when you look at this broadcast by TUSC the one that robbo posted looks fantastic in comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GshJ8vJ3vqU
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aargh. Once again and not to blow this out of all proportion, my reference to the "historic first" relates to the fact that we are talking about a televised party political broadcast in Wales by a revolutionary socialist party standing for socialism and nothing but. Now that is either true or false. I just dont see where "laugable" comes into the picture. The TUSC video if Im not mistaken was for Scotland not Wales and, yes, in comparison with the SPGB video, is dire
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That TUSC one was made in 2010, when the coalition was first formed, and yeah it's pretty shoddy but I think it was a quickly thrown together job. This is the video made for the local elections this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u8LerPf4e8 It's better, not great but at least it doesn't look like something people in the seventies would be embarrassed about. Plus, I'm in it so it's infinitely more awesome (in the background at one point).
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
In terms of content the SPGB ad is by far my favorite. But if we're ranking them by presentation then I'd have to put it in last place. It looked like they were trying to sell iPods. I actually like the 2010 TUSC video the best in this regard. But I guess these ads aren't made for me.
Maybe thats the genius behind the SPGB video in this instance - using a particular form of presentation which , lets be frank here, most workers are more familiar with and responsive to, to convey a political message that is thoroughly subversive and revolutionary....
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So, will this kind of video be carried on public TV or is it just something they'll keep on social media? I don't know how these kinds of elections work, I'm only used to the way they are run here.
but the video pleasantly surprised me. Some of these parties have a lot of older folk who don't know how to make quality videos, and I was expecting something really bizzare like the UKIP one someone posted here to make fun of because of the production values (besides their dumb views of course).
