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Syrian Kurds(YPG) Conspire with Al-Qaeda To Commit Genocide
I'm not exaggerating. In Aleppo Governorate and the City of Aleppo itself, the dominant Syrian Kurdish paramilitary, the YPG(an affiliate of the Turkish narco-cartel of Abdullah Öcalan and the PKK), darling of the Western "leftists", has been negotiating with the rebels in Aleppo recently. Now they have come to an accord and both sides are officially publicizing this document on social media:
It's between the YPG, which is advertised by most Western leftist sects as a bastion of secularism, democracy, and socialism, and a joint military command of the rebels in Aleppo called Ahl ash-Sham. Ahl ash-Sham consists of Syria's official Al-Qaeda affiliate, the Nusra Front, and two other Al-Qaeda linked Wahhabi groups: the Islamic Front(dominated by Ahrar al-Sham, which was co-lead by Osama bin Laden's personal courier and Bin Laden's successors' representative in Syria until the guy was killed in a suicide attack by Iraqi Wahhabis) and Jaish al Mujahideen.
It's divided into 7 points. Point one is a blanket ceasefire for all of Aleppo between the Wahhabis and the YPG. Point 2 deals with the opening of all roads and basically border control between the Wahhabi and YPG fiefdoms in Aleppo as far as vehicle traffic goes. Point 3 deals with exchanging prisoners between the YPG and the Wahhabis. Point 4 deals with the Wahhabis helping the YPG improve the standards of living in YPG controlled territory(water, electricity, et cetera). In point 5, the YPG and the Wahhabis agree that the Wahhabis will only set up military checkpoints in YPG territory with YPG's agreement. Now point 6 gets interesting. In point 6, YPG agrees to help the Wahhabis tighten the siege against the towns of Al-Zahraa (الزهراء) and Nubl (نبل) which are populated by tens of thousands of people. Why? Well, the text reveals why these towns must be starved and eventually put to the sword: they are "Shia cities"! Shias, obviously, are not real Muslims, and since the penatly for apostasy is death in Wahhabi land, those pesky Nusayris and Shias are basically asking for it.
Oh, and in point 6, the YPG and the Wahhabis agree that their alliance is to last for 6 months. When 6 months pass, they say they can negotiate the extension of the duration of this pact.
Jesus Christ. Hekmatyar was a better secularist than the YPG.
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You think the YPG are horrible, but adore the Cossacks. You deny the genocide towards the Crimean Tatars, yet rant about the poor Shias.
Let's not forget your classic quote about al-Assad: "I think he is pretty decent guy."
People like you make me wish the Cuban Missile Crisis hadn't been resolved.
This is why the clusterfuck that is the Kurdish leadership, be it KNC, YPG, KDP, has little legitimacy or trust with any of the factions in this conflict. What is this 6-month nonsense? Can't they even be arsed to commit to a position? When they're not busy killing each other that is.
I can't help but feel that this is another chapter in the ongoing political fragmentation of the Kurds inside Syria. Supposedly the KNC/Jabhat al-Akrad has more influence in Aleppo; otherwise this will be pretty awkward with Assad supporters openly holding rallies with the SAA garrisons in Qamishli.
Last month:
http://aranews.org/en/in-depth/1179-...-qamishli.html
Last edited by khad; 26th April 2014 at 14:34.
Cossacks? Assad? Tatars? Cuban Missile Crisis? What the fuck are you yapping about? Get a grip mate. This thread is about the YPG and how in Aleppo, they have allied themselves with Al-Qaeda and are now officially starving tens of thousands of civilians because of their religious background. Can you focus for more than a few minutes?
For people who aren't suffering from a heat stroke: the other "secular", "moderate", and "democratic" Kurd armed group in Syria, Jubhat al-Akrad, the one that is loyal to the Barzani/KDP cartel, is also an ally of Al-Qaeda. Here they are with their Nusra buddies(again, Nusra is the official Al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GF7jLs0c6Y
Workers of Khorasan, Unite!
No, I can't focus for more than a few minutes. ADHD. Watch out, someone might think you're discriminating the differently abled.
The hypocrisy and opportunism of your ilk is sickening, but unsurprising.
Yeah lets keep it on syria, So how do you feel about Assad barrel bombing foodmarkets? How do you feel about the slaughter of Assad senior of Homs? the expulsion of the Jews? The betrayal of the pallestinians by the Assads when they worked hand in glove with the IDF in libanon butchering thousands there?
Shall we just point out your hypocrisy in the Syrian context, its way more obvious and embarresing.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
By the way, I really love the way you disparage a religious minority that is being brutally butchered by the Wahhabis in Syria. That's some real grade-a communism right there, disparaging me because I dared raise the fact that thousands of Shia civilians are being raped, tortured, and even beheaded, all because of their religious background. "Poor Shias" indeed.
I don't give a shit about your neurodevelopmental disorder, it's no excuse for spamming my thread with irrelevant bits about fucking Cossacks and Tatars and whateverthefuck. What do fucking Cossacks have to do with Shia villages in the Aleppo countryside that are being starved by the rebels and the Kurds? It's two entirely different continents for fuck's sake.
What the fuck are you asking? Whether I support bombing foodmarkets? No? Why would I?
What slaughter?
Bad?
I don't support it?
I like the gist of your argument though. Assad kills civilians so anybody that raises concerns about the rebels and Kurds starving tens of thousands of Shia civilians to death is a hypocrite because hurr durrrrrrr
Yeah, because Shia's are really the only peopegetting kiled, raped and starved in this conflict..
Its a civil war, started by your Assad, either you condemn all or shut up.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Sorry, I meant Hama, you know, one of the primary reasons this uprising spiraled so fast into sectarian bloodbath; http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacreOriginally Posted by raquin
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Hahaha, jesus christ. Learn to understand jokes, even bad ones. I do have a mild case of ADHD, but it wasn't exactly a serious comment.
There is a massive difference between calling out your filthy hypocrisy and opportunism, and ignoring victims. I have no opinion on whether the YPG is enacting some type of genocide or not, but I do know that every side in this war is rotten to the core. My heart is with the Sunnis, the Shias, the Kurds, not with ISIS, Assad, or YPG. Unlike you, I don't play favorites.
The Cossacks and Tatars are highly relevant, in the wider context. My entire point is that you and your kin are nothing but pro-Russian, anti-American shills, the epitome of what is wrong with "anti-Imperialists". When a group supports who you like and oppose what you don't, you endorse and defend it. When a group doesn't favour the strategic interests of whatever hellish entity you've decided is righteous, you launch a witch hunt. When an event makes Russia & Friends look bad, it never happened. If it does the opposite, it's indisputable.
But yes, since you asked, let's not talk about non-Syrian issues any further. I'll give you that much. Sasha brings up a lot of proper points, and you deflect and hide. Interesting, that.
They're the only people that are getting killed, raped, and starved because they happened to be nor to "Nusayri"-apostate parents. With the exception of Arab Christians and Armenian Christians, of course(but then again, it's the rebels who are committing these atrocities against the Christians).
The War was started when a horde of Wahhabis and "moderate" mercenaries sponsored, trained and funded by the GCC monarchies and NATO declared a Jihad on Syria and invaded the country from Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, and Jordan. Now Assad is a clown for allowing them to do this and for this incompetence he should face court martial at the very least.
Wow.. i dont think there is any point in discussing anything with someone so completly detached from reality. No facts will convince the true believers. Pretty funny how you rail against against religious fundamentalists...
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
You come here with some news that ostensibly excites you, as if, if this is true, would not warrant revision of the position of Western leftists toward the YPG, or as if these Western leftists supported the YPG despite them supporting "genocide" of Shia muslims. On a technical note, this is not genocide, it's ethnic cleansing or ethnic displacement.
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What sectarian bloodbath? Sectarianism is a one way street in Syria. Assad's forces are a multi-confessional group of Sunnis, Shias, Christians, even Druze. The rebels are exclusively Sunni.
As for this Hama massacre fairytale, you actually believe that? Ahahhahaha. Do your realise that the secret reports of US military intelligence have already been declassified, right? The death toll: 2,000 people. Mostly Syrian soldiers, civilians and Ba'athists, socialists, and communists lynched by the Muslim Brotherhood during their occupation of Hama. 300-400 armed Muslim Brotherhood Wahhabis were killed, the rest escaped. That's from the most anti-Assad source possible, by the way: the US Department of Defense's foreign military intelligence agency, the DIA.
I uploaded the declassified documents for you buddy. I hope you can finally educate your clueless self:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/220430324/...d5b3f3a36c6b65
On a technical note, when the aim is to displace an ethnic or religious group, usually through a combination of expulsion, intimidation and outright murder, it's ethnic cleansing. When the aim is to physically destroy the Shia branch of Islam because according to the cannibalistic Wahhabi point of view, Shias are apostates and apostates are to be put to death as per God's literal words, it's called planning a genocide, not an ethnic cleansing, smartass.
Maybe this discussion could be fruitful if you could act normally, but apparently you can't, so goodbye.
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I agree with Raquin that we should criticize the ethnic cleansing of Shiites, which is a disturbing policy being instituted by factions of the Syrian rebels.
That said, I agree with those who point out that Raquin has endorsed the ethnic cleansing of Tatars by the USSR in the 40s which was based on the exact same kind of reasoning. "Shiites are heretics who support Assad and so must be cleansed from these areas". "Tatars are reactionaries who supported the Nazis and so must be cleansed from these areas." In both cases there is a commitment to collective punishment against a population alleged to support some political force which another political force disagrees with. In both cases, we should all stand united against the use of political violence against civilians based on some perverted notion of collective punishment. Neither the Shiites nor the Tatars are/were collectively responsible for the actions of reactionary political forces which may have drawn recruits from these populations.
It is also ridiculous, as Hrafn pointed out, to decry the YPG while lauding Cossacks. YPG members proclaim Leftist politics, some Cossacks proclaim leftist politics, yet that doesn't change the reactionary nature of their actions if they go out and support ethnic cleansing or engage in ethnically nationalist politics. To repeat, we must be critical of all attempts to ethnically cleanse areas of "undesirable" populations. Or commit genocide - both genocide and ethnic cleansing are both deeply vile and reactionary policies and frankly any technical differences between the two have no real relevance to whether or not we should think such policies are acceptable.
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SCM summarized my entire viewpoint eloquently and without my standard outbursts of insults. Thank you for that.
i believe that communists should support Kurdish nationalists in on going Syrian civil war, but they shouldnt lose their independent policy. there is nothing horrible about this agreement. points 1-5 are acceptable even by a communist militant force. you are lying about point 6. nothing about "Shia cities" is written there. Shia is written like this in arabic: "شیعه". i dont see the word there. siege is a typical military tactic. i dont know if Kurdish nationalists are using it correctly or not. sometimes civilian casualties cannot be avoided and you will put more people in danger if you try to be too pacifist. however, if siege tactic is not used correctly in this particular situation, communists must criticize YPG and do everything in their power to stop the siege and avoid it in future, but this is not an excuse for desertion. if they desert, they make way for undisputed power of nationalists and they push them further to the right.
besides, what is your conclusion? communists should support Assad because Kurdish nationalists are committing crimes similar to his regime in a smaller scale?!
