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    Good thing I copied and passed it into a...word document . Better than none.
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    By the way - if anyone wants to see how an actual socialist (not "independent radical") publisher operates, consider the Prometheus Research Library (the Sparts' publishing operation - I didn't choose them for sectarian reasons but because I have personally dealt with them), or the people who publish Revolutionary History, both of which have allowed MIA, via the Encyclopedia of Trotskyism On-Line, to post most of their material online. In fact the SL is likely to send you Prometheus material for free without you asking (I suspect most other groups do similar things).

    If you want to see how a socialist, or "socialist", publisher shouldn't operate, check out Pathfinder, Mehring, and "independent radical" publishers like Lard and Wankers.
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    MECW seems to be back online.
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    MECW seems to be back online.
    Didn't they say it's being taken down on the 30th?
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    Didn't they say it's being taken down on the 30th?
    It was down yesterday.
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    It's back up, so get it while it's hot.
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    ... and I wonder, how does some random business have the copyright to some letter Marx wrote a hundred years ago?
    I thought copyrights became null and void after the creator has been dead for fifty years.
    If you've ever searched for sheet music on the internet, you might notice that while there is plenty of Mozart, Beethoven and Bach on offer, none of the recent urtext or critical editions are represented. That's because publishers have rights very similar to copyright holders called publishers rights, although lasting for a shorter period of time than actual copyright, in the UK at least.

    Also, according to the UK society of authors:

    Originally Posted by SoA
    The law recognises this 'original' nature of a translation and affords copyright protection to the translation, separate from the copyright protection to which the original foreign work is entitled and also separate from the protection of someone else's translation of the same work.
    http://www.societyofauthors.org/translation-faqs

    So translations are protected by copyright.

    The wording on the MIA index page statement is really vague. It says that they "hold the copyright for Marx Engels Collected Works" and that MIA is going to delete "all texts originating from MECW," but then it says that "English translations of Marx and Engels from other sources will continue to be available."

    Does this mean alternate translations of the material in MECW will still be there, or does this publisher own the source texts (I'm assuming German) as well? .
    'Marx Engels Collected Works' doesn't refer to the collected works of Marx and Engels as such, it refers to the 50 volume edition of their works published by Lawrence and Wishart. The actual collected works of Marx and Engels run into an estimated 120 volumes and the Marx-Engels Gesamtausgabe, the project to publish it all in German, won't be complete until ~2025. The original source texts are long out of copyright under European law (I think, I don't know all the ins and outs, I assume there may be some difficulty with unpublished works).
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    Ok in that torrent file bitdefender says is a trojan.

    JS.Trojan.Winbomb.F

    Malwarebytes on the other hand says its clean.
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    It's either a slow news day or they're taking enjoyment at this situation

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...opyright-flap/
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    Statement from Lard and Wankers (thanks, Vincent West).

    Over the last couple of days Lawrence & Wishart has been subject to campaign of online abuse because we have asked for our copyright on the scholarly edition of the Collected Works of Marx and Engels to be respected. The panic being spread to the effect that L&W is ‘claiming copyright’ for the entirety of Marx and Engels’ output is baseless, slanderous and largely motivated by political sectarianism from groups and individuals who have never been friendly to L&W.
    "campaign of online abuse". So much butthurt.

    Ultimately, in asking L&W to surrender copyrights in this particular edition of the works of Marx & Engels, MIA and their supporters are asking that L&W, one of the few remaining independent radical publishers in the UK, should commit institutional suicide. At the same time they are reproducing the norms and expectations not of the socialist and communist traditions, but of a consumer culture which expects cultural content to be delivered free to consumers, leaving cultural workers such as publishers, editors and writers unpaid, while the large publishing and other media conglomerates and aggregators continue to enrich themselves through advertising and data-mining revenues and through their far greater institutional weight compared to small independent publishers.
    Yep, those who complain that you take down this in order to earn money on dead people's writings are the ones who reproduce the norms of consumer culture.
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    Originally Posted by liberal and whiny
    ultimately, in asking l&w to surrender copyrights in this particular edition of the works of marx & engels, mia and their supporters are asking that l&w, one of the few remaining independent radical publishers in the uk, should commit institutional suicide.
    And then who would print magazines about social democracy that only grad students read? WHO?
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    I'm currently downloading the website. Currently at about 9GB of, apparently, about 140GB.

    And yes, I know they're 'only' pulling MECW. I just don't trust it. Better to be safe than sorry.

    Maybe some freenet or i2p site can be setup in the future?
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    Originally Posted by I can't think of a clever name for the firm
    We would suggest that if online activists wish to attack targets in the publishing industry who truly do derive huge profits from the exploitation of their workers and from catalogues filled with radical political thought, then there are far more appropriate targets for them to direct their anger towards than a tiny British publishing-house with no shareholders and a tiny, ill-paid staff.
    Ironically, these "huge publishers" aren't the ones demanding that an internet archive site remove important historical material for the purpose of profit.

    Originally Posted by L&W
    We are currently negotiating an agreement with a distributor that will offer a digital version of the Collected Works to university libraries worldwide. This will have the effect of maintaining a public presence of the Works, in the public sphere of the academic library, paid for by public funds. This is a model of commons that reimburses publishers, authors and translators for the work that has gone into creating a book or series of books.
    So students deserve to be able to read this information for free, but everyone else has to pay for it. It's also interesting that they claim they're not being "reimbursed for their work" after that Gramsci stuff mentioned earlier in this thread, where the translator's wishes to give his own work out for free were circumvented by the firm's desire to profit off his labor.

    I really think they've dug themselves further into a hole with this statement. They'd be better off just embracing their villainhood.
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    I'm currently downloading the website. Currently at about 9GB of, apparently, about 140GB.

    And yes, I know they're 'only' pulling MECW. I just don't trust it. Better to be safe than sorry.

    Maybe some freenet or i2p site can be setup in the future?
    How would i go about doing that also ?
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    How would i go about doing that also ?
    If you're on a unix-like operating system (Linux, BSD, Mac OS X), wget is your way to go. I used the command:

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    wget -mk -w 1 http://marxists.org
    Mind you that I'm already at it for a day or so. So, leave your computer on 24/7 or aim to download specific parts of the site. This is the list of things that are going to get pulled. So you could aim for that first.
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    Damn im on windows
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    This might be useful for those of us who use Windows. Keep in mind that if you are downloading from this page, you will have to manually exclude links to other sections of the site if you do not want to download the entirety of the Archive (presumably, I've never used this thing before). There's an option for that in the settings menu before you begin the download.

    Edit: Doesn't seem to have downloaded it properly, so nevermind. I'll try to see what went wrong.
    Edit2: Seemingly works if you use Q's web address.
    Edit3: Definitely works, but it will try to download the entirety of MIA, so be ready to cancel it once it downloads what's on the list Q provided. Unless, of course, you want to download the entire archive.
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    Last night was productive: Now am at 27.5GB
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