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    I thought copyrights became null and void after the creator has been dead for fifty years. Or is that just music? It really seems odd that someone can claim copyright infringement on works by authors that have been dead for over a century.

    Also, could they move their servers to Sweden, so they're protected by the same laws that (sort of) protect The Pirate Bay?
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    ... and I wonder, how does some random business have the copyright to some letter Marx wrote a hundred years ago?

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    I thought copyrights became null and void after the creator has been dead for fifty years. Or is that just music? It really seems odd that someone can claim copyright infringement on works by authors that have been dead for over a century.

    Also, could they move their servers to Sweden, so they're protected by the same laws that (sort of) protect The Pirate Bay?
    I think it's the translation into English that is protected. Maybe I should claim copyright to my translation work of Bordiga...
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    Why cant the mia put all the stuff into .pdf files and bundle them into a torrent.
    Actually the whole site has been ripped and bundled into a torrent, including MECW. It's a pretty big file though. But people are also in the process of securing a copy solely of the material being taken down, so it seems we're covered. You can read more about it in the corresponding r/socialism post.
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    Actually the whole site has been ripped and bundled into a torrent, including MECW. It's a pretty big file though. But people are also in the process of securing a copy solely of the material being taken down, so it seems we're covered. You can read more about it in the corresponding r/socialism post.
    That's some really handy information there. An ordinary thanking of your post doesn't do it enough justice, so I thought I'd post my sentiments.
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    Jesus. I'm not a huge fan of M&E but seriously, this copyright shit is so dumb in regards to their works. Def gonna get ahold of the compiled works and then spread it around, so they can't pull this shit.
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    This is the same reason why reading Gramsci online is nearly impossible.
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    Wow, this is some Pathfinder-grade bullshit. To top it all off, half of Lewis and Wishart used to be a "family-owned liberal and anti-fascist publisher". Pass the vomit bucket.
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    Wtf!!??
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    The wording on the MIA index page statement is really vague. It says that they "hold the copyright for Marx Engels Collected Works" and that MIA is going to delete "all texts originating from MECW," but then it says that "English translations of Marx and Engels from other sources will continue to be available."

    Does this mean alternate translations of the material in MECW will still be there, or does this publisher own the source texts (I'm assuming German) as well? If it's the former, this all doesn't seem like that big of a deal. If it's the latter, that's just unconscionable. There have to be more creative ways of letting the publishers know they're in the wrong than just a boycott and angry letters. Aggregating the targeted material is a good start.
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    I sent an email as well. I should be receiving the file of all the works being deleted by a friend.
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    To me, it isn't so much as the texts are being deleted as it more has to do with infringing on my references when I am talking with someone; without a easy reference point as to where to read a text, education becomes muddled since money becomes the only route to understand Leftist theory.

    Provided, there is Marx 2 Mao, but I do not know how up to date on the "classics" they are.
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    Well, simple solution to this:

    1. Tell the publishers in question what you think of them.

    2. Help me organize a public boycott/shaming.
    Or a book burning.... but that might send the opposite message.
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    Why cant the mia put all the stuff into .pdf files and bundle them into a torrent.
    They do a service where you can get the entire archive in a hard drive for the price of the drive and a small donation actually. MIA is non profit though so I don't see much they can be sued for in reality.
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    They do a service where you can get the entire archive in a hard drive for the price of the drive and a small donation actually. MIA is non profit though so I don't see much they can be sued for in reality.
    Is there a link to this service ?
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    I find the fact that they will be having the content taken down one day before May Day to be rather strange. Is this simply ignorance or are they really being this petty?

    Do you think this could be a temporary marketing ploy on their part kind of a new coke type situation to get themselves better known?
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    This an e-mail that someone presumably received from the publisher:

    "I don’t think you have much conception of how difficult it is to keep a small socialist publisher afloat in these times. We have an opportunity to make these works available through an academic route that will bring us in income which will help us fund other projects. We never make any profit. There is no reason why copyright on Marx translation should be any less respected than that of any other writer."
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    I cant make a living selling ice to eskimo's either so i will ban them from gathering ice ?
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    "I don’t think you have much conception of how difficult it is to keep a small socialist publisher afloat in these times. We have an opportunity to make these works available through an academic route that will bring us in income which will help us fund other projects. We never make any profit. There is no reason why copyright on Marx translation should be any less respected than that of any other writer."
    Well the last sentence is true - but for us it means something else than it did for them, I think. So an online resource that has provided easy access to the works of Marx and Engels, for thousands of people throughout the world, should be gutted, so that Lawrence and Wisham can print Renewal, "a quarterly journal of social democracy, committed to modernisation, but keen to open discussion about the forms it might take".

    Seriously, fuck their small business, fuck their liberalism and social democracy, and fuck all "independent radical publisher" radhipster douchebaggery.
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