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Socialist Alternative Supports Bernie Sanders
http://www.socialistalternative.org/...ent-in-2016-2/
Well that degenerated quickly
Last edited by Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist; 23rd April 2014 at 02:31.
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To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
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can't tell if i'm laughing or crying tbh
I'm not really sure why anyone should be surprised.
Points:
1) At least he's not a Democrat (though he caucuses with them).
2) Given how much of the American "left" fell in line behind Obama, this isn't so bad in comparison.
3) His 8 1/2 hour "Enough is enough! [...] How many homes can you own?" speech is kinda impressive in a way.
Points Against:
1) D00d is a social democrat who voted for the war in Afghanistan.
Uh . . . actually, that one point is probably enough.
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To my memory although there was a lot of confusion on Obama very few groups endorsed him but simply had confused positions. We've learned the lessons from Obama and yet SAlt is wiling to repeat them for a much less popular candidate that is hardly any more relevant than Ralph Nader.
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
Did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.
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To be fair, when Vermont secedes to form some sort of People's Marijuana Republic of Vermont, Bernie Sanders will probably be elected President for Life.
Like, I think he has a real support base outside of NGO-employees and college students, which isn't really true of Nader, I don't think.
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The life we have conferred upon these objects confronts us as something hostile and alien.
Formerly Virgin Molotov Cocktail (11/10/2004 - 21/08/2013)
Hmmm, you are correct that he does have a very real support base within his state but I am not sure how well he is supported outside of it, I've never encountered a sanderite but at the same time I've only recently moved to an urban setting where left politics exist so perhaps I can't really speak that much on the matter. But I think the general point, that they are selling themselves out more than others have for Obama, for a much less popular candidate, is true in this case.
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
I'd vote Sanders in a heart beat. There's a friends of Bernie Sanders page here: http://www.bernie.org/
Care to tell why?
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
I don't know which is more laughable, Socialist Alternative supporting Bernie or the PSL supporting Roseanne Barr last go around.
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"History knows no greater display of courage than that shown by the people of the Soviet Union."
Henry L. Stimson: U.S. Secretary of War
Take the word “fear” and the phrase “for what, it’s not going to change anything” out of your minds and take control of your future.
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"I want to give a really bad party. I mean it. I want to give a party where there's a brawl and seductions and people going home with their feelings hurt and women passed out in the cabinet de toilette. You wait and see"
Bernie Sanders supports apartheid and therefore racism in Palestine and Occupied Palestine (Israel).
In a letter he said:
"I wholeheartedly support the new Obama administration is its commitment to expand our diplomatic presence in the region and to take a more active role in facilitating negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian leadership."
So in other words, he supports Obama in doing absolutely nothing about apartheid in Israel.
Furthermore, he suggests that "Recently, this decades-old conflict spilled over once more as Israel launched a major military campaign against Hamas in the Gaza Strip in order to counter Palestinian rocket fire into its cities and, more broadly, to significantly weaken Hamas rule in Gaza."
Bullshit. Israel's militarism had never been about self-defense, and only creates more hostility. In fact Hamas' actions are only a result of Israel's aggression and subordination of Palestinians.
Finally, he says
"A two-state solution must include compromises from both sides to achieve a fair and lasting peace in the region. The Palestinians must fulfill their responsibilities to arrest terrorists, confiscate terrorists’ weapons, dismantle terrorist organizations, halt all anti-Jewish and anti-Israel incitement, and recognize Israel’s right to exist."
Fuck that shit. How about arresting all the terrorists in the IDF. And really, halt all "anti-Israel incitement"? Yeah, those people who are treated as second class citizens and have their homes, livelihoods, and families destroyed for being Palestinian should just stop fighting and stand by while the capitalist governments pretend to be "working something out" as more villages are destroyed and more illegal settlements are built? Fucking ridiculous.
Bernie Sanders' positions on this issue (and likely quite a few others dealing with similar conflicts) perpetuates the racism of the Israeli apartheid state. Supporting Bernie Sanders is therefore supporting apartheid. So yeah, way to prop up ethnic discrimination there SALT. Fucking morons.
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Fuck it, at this point I'll happily take an actual social democrat over the usual alternatives. He wouldn't even have to do anything. He could literally just get into office and promise not to sign any bills or make any executive orders and be the best president of my lifetime.
to be honest I hope he wins and SAlt becomes influential so we can finally have social democracy, although that does not imply that I support them politically or as a strategy to achieve communism.
Men vanish from earth leaving behind them the furrows they have ploughed. I see the furrow Lenin left sown with the unshatterable seed of a new life for mankind, and cast deep below the rolling tides of storm and lightning, mighty crops for the ages to reap.
~Helen Keller
To despise the enemy strategically is an elementary requirement for a revolutionary. Without the courage to despise the enemy and without daring to win, it will be simply impossible to make revolution and wage a people’s war, let alone to achieve victory. ~Lin Biao
http://commiforum.forumotion.com/
Hmm I can't find the PSL article where the PSL gave up its presidential campaign and just endorsed Barr.
This is consistent with SAlt/CWI's mission to build new obstacles in the way of workers revolution. Ever since Nader's star faded, they have been looking for another "independent" bourgeois nationalist demagogue to chase after.
It happened in Los Angeles at the Peace and Freedom central committee meeting. Because of her age she had to quit in Cali. Her and Becker (who was on the committee) voted to back Roseanne over professed Socialist's that were also running, Stephen Durham, nominee of the Freedom Socialist Party and Stewart Alexander, nominee of the Socialist Party USA . Further they vowed to give full support in the state for her. I abstained then quit.
p.s. I doubt that the LaRiva/Becker Party really wants to put that shit on their website.
Brospierre-Albanian baseball was played with a frozen ball of shit and tree branch
"History knows no greater display of courage than that shown by the people of the Soviet Union."
Henry L. Stimson: U.S. Secretary of War
Take the word “fear” and the phrase “for what, it’s not going to change anything” out of your minds and take control of your future.
[I]Juan Jose Fernandez, Asturias
"I want to give a really bad party. I mean it. I want to give a party where there's a brawl and seductions and people going home with their feelings hurt and women passed out in the cabinet de toilette. You wait and see"
Sadly, I have to agree with you. I would love it if social democracy became an actual phenomenon in the States, if only so the American populace would no longer run in terror when they hear the word 'socialism'.
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Social democracy is not an economic system or an arrangement of forces between classes. It is a policy of representatives of the working class who seek to administer the bourgeois state, i.e. seek to defend bourgeois property, whatever that entails.
For a brief period, in order to stave off the threat of Bolshevism, that entailed some improvements in living conditions for the masses.
That period is over. YABM and Brandon are suffering from reformist illusions.
As far as I can tell, this article doesn't actually endorse a Sanders run for president. What it is saying is that if Sanders runs as an independent, it might make left wing politics more viable and widely discussed in the U.S., which would be a good thing. The article also does mention a number of the problems with Sanders, so I don't think that anyone is under the illusion that he's some kind of socialist messiah.
