Which part you wouldn't agree with? And why?
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I would say I mostly agree...
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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Which part you wouldn't agree with? And why?
pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will
previously known as impossible
I know this sounds kind of trivial, being just a little detail, but it seems kind of hetero-centric. I understand that it is a text from a different era but the language is kinda out of date in that sense. I feel like I'm kinda being a ***** for bringing it up, so if I am I'm sorry.
I do ,however, agree with the overall sentiment of the idea behind the quote.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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The bourgeois concept of marriage cannot be separated from its history as a form of social oppression. Nor can it be separated, fundamentally, from the concept of private property rights.
Yeah as an institution it should be done away with, but the whole "property rights" argument is a little anacronistic in most circumstances these days IMO, and it's a bit abstract... I mean what in our society isn't tied up with property and market relations to some extent?
I don't think a revolution would have to do much - or could do much - to "abolish" it, more like just eliminating the sorts of factors that either make people stay (unhappily) married because of economic reasons (not meaning tax-breaks, but you know, "my husband beats me, but I have no job and no where to go"). In other words, workers would try and make it so that families and couples aren't necissary to have a community or to make daily chores and expenses easier to handle.
In fact, capitalism has already abolished the more tradditional social reasons for marriage (more kids to be your help, a wife-worker at home to do manufacturing for market or whatnot). Sexism plays into this a little with the expectation that women "are born" to raise kids and think of others (husband and kids) before themselves, but it's not an economic imperitive like in pre-industrial times. Many couples do split houswork and so on, for example, so I think it's really the combination of privitizing social reproduction with sexism that tends to overburdon women specifically.
But marriage under capitalism does seemingly offer something to people and so I think arguing against it on a practical level is just kinda ideological grandstanding. Capitalism is alienating, dominated by market relations, and atomized. Marriage, and family for some, can offer a tiny bit of refuge potentially in: a real connection (i.e. loving marriage), relationships supposedly not based on market concerns, and a partnership in dealing with the atomization of capitalist life. There are alternatives of course, but unless you can build some kind of community around yourself (mostly people do this through family), capitalism is a cold and lonly place to grow old in.
That's the ideal set-up, but as much as people try and achieve some "whole-ness" in family life that doesn't exist in capitalism - the same pressure outside can make marriages or families living hells. Even short of that, the stresses and demands of capitalism also undermine this set up that the family system also idealizes and promotes.
So the way I see it, class liberation allows for greater induvidual control in life (not being a cog who must find work to live, only to live just to work) which allows people to associate on a mutual basis. People wouldn't stress if they haven't found "the one" because being 50 and unmarried wouldn't imply that your life is empty and you wouldn't have to worry as much about just growing older alone with no support if you get ill or whatnot.
I have a feeling that it is already eroding away slowly, with same-sex marriage being legalised more and more. I think it's possible that in a few years people will be pushing to either abolish marriage altogether or legalise polygamous marriages.
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Are you implying that same-sex couples are not monogamous?
It doesn't sound like that was the implication, I could be wrong though. It seems Revolution Rebel was commenting on the process of deconstructing the social structure of society little by little. I hope Revolution Rebel corrects me if I'm wrong.
I dreamt of a flower that was so beautiful that when it whithered away and died a tear left my eye. I saw our births, our lives and our deaths. I felt fire paint me with pain and I felt a kiss on my lips with a knife in my neck. Love to heartbreak to self-destruction to birth and to finally learning to frolic back into the same trap with a warm smile.
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I think marriage is only really a financial bond its easier to stay above the flood of debt and i feel marriage will not be necessary under communism
