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    Default Fake N.Korea stories, as usual, convince gullible western press

    "Basically every viral-minded news website on the planet is running a story today about how North Korea is requiring men to get their hair cut like Kim Jong-un. Korea Times reports, citing Radio Free Asia, that “since about two weeks ago, men are allowed to have the ‘Dear Leader Kim Jong-un’ haircut only.” Another sources is quoted as saying that “Until the mid-2000, we called it the ‘Chinese smuggler haircut.’

    Like most news out of the brutally repressive dictatorship/global meme generator, it should be treated with some skepticism and is already being picked apart to some extent. The sourcing is pretty thin, and NK News quotes some recent visitors to Pyongyang who don’t recall seeing people with unusual haircuts."

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world...s_haircut.html





    "It's a crazy story, but where did it come from? And should we believe it?
    Well, let's first consider the source. For example, the BBC picked up the story on its News from Elsewhere blog, sourcing much of the story to the Korea Times, an English-language paper published by the Hankook Ilbo group. The Korea Times, meanwhile, appears to have gotten the story from Radio Free Asia, a non-profit funded in part by the United States government. Radio Free Asia's story only appears on the Korean-language version of its Web site, though a representative says that it will be translated soon.

    Regarding the second question, most North Korean experts I reached out to seemed inclined to believe that the story couldn't be true.

    "This sounds like BS to me," said Aidan Foster Carter, an Honorary Senior Research Fellow in Sociology & Modern Korea at Leeds University in Britain.

    "For a start, no one else in North Korea seems to sport a Kim Jong Un hairdo!"
    "I think we can add this to the long list of ridiculous news stories on North Korea," said Andray Abrahamian, Executive Director of Choson Exchange, a Singaporean non-profit providing training in business, economic policy and law to young North Koreans. "Everybody had typical haircuts there last week when we were there for a Women in Business program."

    Chad O'Carroll, editor of the North Korean-watching website NKNews was also skeptical, forwarding a message from a reader of his Web site who had recently been in Pyongyang and had not seen Kim's haircut replicated anywhere. NK News has now written an article that argues the hairstyle order is "unlikely true," citing numerous sources."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g-un-haircuts/

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    I don't like NK but yeah this story has nothing to back it and should be laughed at.
    When NKNews says it's bullshit = bullshit.
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    Defend real socialism! Down with imperialism! For a better, more gulaggy, murderous, dictatorial world in the name of the party!

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    If we don't support NK, capitalism will win! US imperialist pigs will take over!
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    Anything bad about Best Korea is lies. Anything good is not. The logic of the "anti-imperialist".
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    Anything bad about Best Korea is lies. Anything good is not. The logic of the "anti-imperialist".
    Hahahahahahahahahahaha yeah, so true. Stupid America-hating commies.
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    Hahahahahahahahahahaha yeah, so true. Stupid America-hating commies.
    They call themselves anti-imperialists, you know.
    As if every other communist is pro imperialism, duh.
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    I oppose both the government of North Korea and false propaganda concocted out of a sense of smug superiority. I don't see any contradiction between these two positions. If you do and prefer your world not only divided between clear good and clear evil but require that evil to take on comic book style hilarity, I would invite you to develop a more nuanced position.


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    North Korea is the very personification of evil. Anybody who disagrees with me or makes fun of our dear liberal broadsheets for lying about it is a Stalinist.
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    Defend real socialism! Down with imperialism! For a better, more gulaggy, murderous, dictatorial world in the name of the party!

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    Because everyone that insinuates that the DPRK isn't a nation of brainwashed subhumans ruled in a pharaonic manner by someone who is half Mengele and half one of the Three Stooges secretly has a massive hard-on for Kim's presumably virgin ass.

    Maybe you were one of those people who accused everyone who doubted the testimony of that "Kuwaiti nurse" of secretly being a massive fan of Saddam Hussein.

    Honestly this site should give up the pretension and change its name to Imper"Lef".

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    because everyone that insinuates that the dprk isn't a nation of brainwashed subhumans ruled in a pharaonic manner by someone who is half mengele and half one of the three stooges secretly has a massive hard-on for kim's presumably virgin ass.

    Maybe you were one of those people who accused everyone who doubted the testimony of that "kuwaiti nurse" of secretly being a massive fan of saddam hussein.

    Honestly this site should give up the pretension and change its name to imper"lef".
    Defend the glorious degenerated workers state of North Korea!!! Don't dare critique it in any way shape or form, it's not as bad as they say, I swear!

    That's what I read in your post.
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    "Respected" papers have this rule against anonymous, single source reporting, they won't publish articles like that.

    What they will do instead is wait for a less respected publication to carry that article (say any random the-true-north-korea website) and then cite that. Problem solved, respectable misinformation.



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    "Respected" papers have this rule against anonymous, single source reporting, they won't publish articles like that.

    What they will do instead is wait for a less respected publication to carry that article (say any random the-true-north-korea website) and then cite that. Problem solved, respectable misinformation.




    Are you at this point a parody?
    The "parody" are the "anti-imperialists" who defend North Korea. Picking their favourite capitalist state over another.
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    The "parody" are the "anti-imperialists" who defend North Korea. Picking their favourite capitalist state over another.
    There is a specific subject mentioned in this tread, that is a fresh round of misinformation about something. Some people find this interesting and some people don't, apparently, and start attacking "capitalist states".

    If you don't care about the news, move on.
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    I think it's more sensationalism than gullibility. I hadn't heard of this story, but I checked a Dutch newssite and it had the story with the title ('All men required to ... ') in between those subtle ' ' quotation marks, which permits them to print any unsubstantiated rumour since they are technically quoting someone (Radio Free something apparently in this case).
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    I fail to see why doubting this story (which frankly sounds ridiculous to me) is seen as supporting the DPRK.

    I mean, I know the Dear Leader is fucking insane, but I doubt that he is as insane as he'd have to be to criminalize bald folks.

    I wanna know more about the background of this story, as I suspect it will be much the same as this video:

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    The "parody" are the "anti-imperialists" who defend North Korea. Picking their favourite capitalist state over another.
    Who is doing that in this thread?
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    Two totally consistent theses:

    (1) North Korea is an authoritarian country with all sorts of oppressive and dystopian laws

    (2) The western press and SK newspapers jump at any story which confirms their stereotypes and narratives about North Korea, even when the evidence is not there

    Honestly this site should give up the pretension and change its name to Imper"Lef".
    Despite the fact that a number of views have been expressed here, and nobody has actually endorsed American Imperialism? No need to exaggerate.
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    Nothing new here. Nixon was funding shit like this all over south-east asia, buying ad space on billboards touting The "Great Leader" as the father of all socialists revolutions. Amazing.
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    Defend the glorious degenerated workers state of North Korea!!! Don't dare critique it in any way shape or form, it's not as bad as they say, I swear!

    That's what I read in your post.
    Good for you? I guess? Of course, Trotskyists, even those who do not consider the DPRK to be a deformed workers' state, call for the defence of North Korea from imperialist incursion. Those of us who consider the DPRK to be a deformed workers' state call for the unconditional defence of North Korea from internal capitalist-restorationist forces as well - as unpalatable that is to liberals. (Note that I do not consider Shachtmanites - whose position is closer to that of most posters on this site, apparently - to be Trotskyists).

    That said, we can and we do criticise the North Korean bureaucracy. In case you haven't figured it out, calling something a "deformed" workers' state is not a compliment. Nor do we flatter the WPK by calling them a brittle parasitic caste. In no case are we against principled, communist criticism of the DPRK - but we do not care for sensationalist ("Everyone in North Korea has the same haircut!") or liberal ("The poor peasants! The poor Christians! The poor liberals!") criticism.

    Originally Posted by Sinister Cultural Marxist
    Despite the fact that a number of views have been expressed here, and nobody has actually endorsed American Imperialism? No need to exaggerate.
    I think both of us are well aware of the balance of opinion on this site. As for posters not endorsing American imperialism - that is technically true. But whenever one of the ridiculous lies the propaganda machines of the US and its clients and junior partners periodically make up about the DPRK is exposed for the nonsense it is, most posters try to shoot the messenger and then go into hysterics over North Korea.
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