Wilders latest racist stunt finnally sparks broad public outrage

[PhoenixAsh]

Most CPNers have long gone to either NCPN or SP, I don't think there are very many still in GL.

Most of them have...or they are dead...or moved to the PvdA. Some of them are still in GL.

That said...CPN wasn't really a communist party in their last year but some vague left of center cuddle party divorced from day to day reality of the working class.

Also..on a totally unrelated note...the NCPN should really, really, really do something about their website.

http://www.ncpn.nl/

This one isn't much better either

http://www.vcp.nu/

[Sasha]

Seeing how much the NCPN is hopelessly stuck in the past its only fitting their website is too...

[Halert]

Just came back from the demo, there where a lot good of people, it's a good sign. The mayor wanted to give a speech but he was "boohed", he is a social dem from a party that carries out anti-imigration policy.

[Sasha]

I left before the mayors speech good to hear people stayed to give him an earful.

[PhoenixAsh]

Live stream reaction of Wilders now on.

He, as expected, nuances his statement as follows:

We do want less Moroccans. We have always stated this. I will take nothing back of what I said. We do not want to deport the Moroccan community. We do however think we should stimulate them to remigrate; we should deport those with a criminal record and those who commit social security fraud. Those who conform and work hard have nothing to fear.

[PhoenixAsh]

There is a lot of: OMG I have been abjectly painted as Hitler while I have exercised my democratic rights. I have not been convicted as a racist and the only one being able to accuse me of this would be the justice system.

He also said the DA is not objective and politically motivated since they are led by the minister of Justice (VVD) who rejected my statements as "disgusting" and he compared this to hate speech which served to create false sentiment against him while he only analysed the problem with Moroccans and offered solutions to the problems they create and pose.

He also said he wouldn't step down...that he doesn't know what will happen to the amount of party offcials but will not stop doing what he is doing even if he has to do it with less people.

[PhoenixAsh]

The tactic that is now chosen is the offensive. In effect Wilders is saying:

The party turmoil is not caused by the party line or program but because of the hate speech directed against Wilders and the PVV which creates such a hostile atmosphere that party officials were forced to do so. Any resulting prosecution is politically motivated and enacted by representatives of parties that fear the political influence and strength of the PVV and are jealous of the results. As a given the blame lies mostly with the PvdA, who lost heavily in the last elections, and who really are to blame for creating the state in which the Netherlands now find itself.

Meanwhile on twitter support for Wilders after his statement is exploding.

[Sasha]

Opstelten is VVD not PVDA (not that it makes a difference)

[PhoenixAsh]

Yup...got confused. He mentioned Van der Laan in the same sentence. I have corrected it.

on that note: Have you heard what the PvdA said about their huge loss? "We failed to get our message across".

I think they are confused. They succeeded splendidly in getting the message across and people did understand it. Which is why they didn't vote for the PvdA.

[Halert]

Wilders called out samson(PVDA) for being a hypocrite. Because he said Moroccans have an ethnic monopoly on street disorder and intimidation. For once he is right, pvda is full of opportunists, who would gladly spew racist hate if means they can get more votes.

[Sasha]

highspeed video of the demo to show how much and diverse people there where (just put the sound off to not hear the horrible music some dolt put over it);

Video tại vimeo.com - Đăng tại www.KyXaoViet.Com

at 2.27 my afa flag pops by

[Sasha]

some more pictures and vids: http://www.rtvnh.nl/nieuws/139997/Du...5Bmet+video%5D

[PhoenixAsh]

I was planning on going to the demo but got the city wrong. So I was in The Hague. FML.

...impressive how much police was tailing the demo. 5 normal vans and 7 riot vans. wauw. I bet they weren't there for moral support

[Sasha]

the amount of visible riotpolice surprised me actually, i found it pretty low, i assume they where all in the parallel streets. there was a shit load of bike-cops though, that was new for me.
we got some attention from the plainclothed assholes at the start but then some wanabe salafist kiddies ran by and we got downgraded as an group of interest.

[Sasha]

the scene at the starting point was bizarre though, apparently Obama and some other hotshots from the nuclear summit are going to visit the museums somewhere this week and they made the museumplein already look like a post apocalyptic no mans land, the whole thing is closed of with belfast walls and fences and they put a three story wall of shipping containers around the van gogh museum, it was pretty damn bizarre

[PhoenixAsh]

Polls state the PVV would have lost 5 seats of the 27 if there were national elections. These 5 seats would be divided between D66 and SP which would both have 23 seats in parliament.

5 seats may sound like a lot but Wilders has dealt with these numbers before and managed to come out on top. If anything these mere 5 seats are a good indicator of the level of structural racism in our country.

[PhoenixAsh]

The 8 remaining PVV council members of Almere will remain in the PVV and will not, as previously mentioned, leave the PVV.

PVV also announced their list for the EU elections. Of its previous 5 seats they now hold only 3 after two PVV representatives left after Wilders speech. The list is restructured with both long standing PVV members and new vetted members.

The latest scandal involving Wilders serves to slowly radicalize the party. All members currently staying in the party have silently conformed to the "new" and more open racism. What is evident is that the party is radicalizing more and more in its social policy...while its economic policy is adapted towards the left to create the most support under lower income voters. Its increased ties with FN and VB plus other right wing parties are either a sign or a result of this.

[Das war einmal]

not really, they said they remain when Wilders will take his statements back (which he wont), that the ball is in his court now. which means that they are defying wilders, enticing him to speak out again (which so far he hasnt done), trying to take the PVV name away from him, thats a pretty big thing.

As expected, he didn't take back his statement, but they stayed anyway, 'the left media failed to tear us apart' what a bunch of pathetic opportunists.

[Das war einmal]

Polls state the PVV would have lost 5 seats of the 27 if there were national elections. These 5 seats would be divided between D66 and SP which would both have 23 seats in parliament.

5 seats may sound like a lot but Wilders has dealt with these numbers before and managed to come out on top. If anything these mere 5 seats are a good indicator of the level of structural racism in our country.

Not quite sure about the legitimacy of the polls, the upcoming EP elections will give more clarity but you're right about the structural racism. But what bothers me is that it's ok for the media to promote the idea of 'headrag-tax' ('kopvoddentaks' a very racist idea that every women with a veil should pay tax because 'the polluter pays' - his literal words) and other vile racist statements, but only just now he's gone too far.

[Das war einmal]

Plus...and this is really, really important. The whole statement Wilders made is really not the main reason many PVV officials are leaving the party. Some of the more important ones have done so because of long opposition to the left economic turn Wilders has made in the last year away from liberal conservatism.

Yeah one of them said that, but there are also those who despised his authoritarian way of leadership and were waiting for the right opportunity to abandon ship. Those who are staying now are probably doing so because they have 0 chance of finding a new job once they leave.