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My understanding of why drugs are illegal.
I think drugs are illegal primarily because drugs make people happy without lots of material possessions. They undermine the capitalist system.
There are also secondary and tertiary reasons. It allows the police to give people trouble if they step out of line socially, since there's a good chance they use drugs, and the police can use that against them. And also it's a good (bad) excuse for more prisons.
Last edited by Jay NotApplicable; 16th March 2014 at 19:42.
The prohibited drugs are banned because they are harmful to people, even marijuana is very harmful to a persons body.
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I seriously hope that you are not as naive as you are making yourself out to be right now. If the apparatus was truly concerned about the bodily harm, fast food, Coca Cola, alcohol, tobacco, and processed food would be banned.
Dodger also just liked your post which means you have much more than facts to worry about.
Last edited by Atsumari; 17th March 2014 at 10:08.
To see why drugs are illegal, you would have to look to the history. To my knowledge, many drugs were prohibited as a result of political campaigns (mostly racist) fueled by underlying economic interests.
This is generally the ahistorical justification. And it's garbage. Alcohol and tobacco are far more harmful than marijuana.
Drugs are illegalized to target the poor and ethnic communities, as well as some being dangerous to produce, and certain drugs go against the interests of businesses such as marijuana. The tobacco companies and companies that produced paper were against hemp because hemp is often better at making paper and marijuana is a much better recreational drug than tobacco.
So marijuana is not bad for you? How about hard drugs like Crystal Meth?
I never said alcohol, tobacco or caffeine weren’t bad for you (I know they are bad for you) but he was talking about illegal drugs so I kept the conservation limited to those items.
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@MotP
Marijuana has a lot of great medical benefits, it also helps with many other things. Chain smoking like 8 joints a day for a long period of time is bad for you, but smoking a bit here and there won't harm you. It's also been stated that the positives of marijuana outweigh the negative effects of it. I smoke a lot of marijuana and helps a helluva lot with my anxiety and depression.
Crystal meth is a really fucked up drug and I would never do it. It's someon'es choice if they want to do it, and no one should control their choice to try a drug or anything else. Fuck the authority of states, and fuck the laws that legalize the states actions.
I see your point on marijuana and I think we'll leave it at that.
However I think drugs which have the capability to harm others (i.e. "hard drugs") should be banned. Hard drugs can cause violence and other destructive behaviour which can not only harm the person using it but their family, their friends and also strangers.
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From: http://www.politicalcompass.org/
"If you saw my real picture, you might wet yourself....with laughter, I might add." - Comrade Dodger
How are you going to ban these drugs? With a state? or would the labor union/commune/collective/community decide which drugs to ban? What would you say would happen to those that want to consume banned drugs and chemicals for recreational purposes?
The government would. Whether it would be the state, a commune, a workers council, etc. depends on what society exists at the time. If the drugs are harmful to others they should definitely be banned because by keeping them legal you are threatening the safety of innocents who did nothing wrong.
Drugs are designed to make people feel better, in a communist society they would not be necessary.
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"If you saw my real picture, you might wet yourself....with laughter, I might add." - Comrade Dodger
You are kidding, right?
Well, I would still partake, cause they are fun.
"I'm not interested in indulging whims from members of your faction."
Seeing as this is seen as acceptable by an admin, from here on out when I have a disagreement with someone I will be asking them to reference this. If you want an explanation of my views, too bad.
So if someone took a kilogram of crystal meth a day for a year they would be fine?
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"If you saw my real picture, you might wet yourself....with laughter, I might add." - Comrade Dodger
There would be no government under communism, no government to exert authoritarian measures. A communist government is the epitome of oxymoron comrade. There would be no state to rule over a producing class. The state is an organized force that solely exists to suppress and exploit a producing class, that being the proletariat. Under full communism, which is the abscence of a class system and the abscence of a state without money predicated on a gift economy and mutual aid, all drugs would be free for everyone to freely use. Without the shit we live under today people won't do drugs for the same reason, people won't be chasing that initial high to escape a shitty life. People will be doing drugs for the enjoyment of them, they would be a past time for people, for their enjoyment. I don't think that the worker's council, labor union, collective, community, commune, or whichever would ban drugs, for the purpose they would take under communism would be different than their purpose under capitalism. People will also look for ways to make the drugs production safer, and to make the drugs safer to consume, so that people aren't being harmed by the drugs or the process in which they're created.
I think drugs are mostly illegal for your second stated reason. They are a great excuse for police to harass people for no reason. And you are absolutely right about the private prison industry. If you look at the financial statements of these prison companies, you find that "drug legalization" is considered a "risk-factor" for their business. This is exactly why they lobby so strongly in the US to keep drugs illegal.
That said I don't really condone the use of most drugs, but I think psychedelics can be useful tools for understanding. But the idea of making drugs illegal is ridiculous. Putting people in jail for using drugs is doing more harm than the drugs themselves actually cause. It demonstrates one of the following things (or both): complete ignorance on the part of people making policy, or a desire for those making policy to profit off of drug use.
Prohibition doesn't work. All it does is lead to more power for police.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
Who takes a kilogram of crystal meth every day? And even if they did, how is right to throw them in jail for it? It's a medical problem, not a criminal issue. Putting people in jail for doing drugs is stupid.
I wish not to rule, and I wish not to be ruled, so I wouldn't tell anyone they couldn't do a drug if they wanted. Why would anyone want to control someone's choice?
There body, their choice, besides, someone taking a kilo of meth would be dead. Lastly people invented meth because clean, good amphetamines and cocaine are really expensive and hard to come by, because of prohibition. It's a substitution drug, legalize.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Well marijuana is a medicine so if it would not be necessary in a communist society would you ban all medicine like morphine as well just because it's harmful?
