I can't help but wonder where the Jews, Romas and any other persecuted minorities will find refuge.
Results 81 to 100 of 188
The only large left force I know of is borotba party
Officially one of the self defense militia reps said they were not pro Russian but for Ukrainian unity and a finlandization of the country geopolitically. Meaning an equidistant but friendly relationship with both Russia and EU and their political and military machinations.
There is obviously going to be weird elements because like the 'FSA' its a bunch of different groups. Only names I know of is the donbass self defense and some local city militias.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
I can't help but wonder where the Jews, Romas and any other persecuted minorities will find refuge.
Brospierre-Albanian baseball was played with a frozen ball of shit and tree branch
"History knows no greater display of courage than that shown by the people of the Soviet Union."
Henry L. Stimson: U.S. Secretary of War
Take the word “fear” and the phrase “for what, it’s not going to change anything” out of your minds and take control of your future.
[I]Juan Jose Fernandez, Asturias
"I want to give a really bad party. I mean it. I want to give a party where there's a brawl and seductions and people going home with their feelings hurt and women passed out in the cabinet de toilette. You wait and see"
It nobody else will take them, personally I'd just encourage them to arm themselves... then go around helping other self-defense forces protect themselves. Rather than making mutual-defense agreements with other minorities, I'd recommend just helping to protect them, whether they asked for help or not. After all, actions speak louder than words - and actual, tangible help is worth more than a hundred contracts signed in blood.
See also: http://reddit.com/r/socialism http://www.reddit.com/r/anarchistnews http://reddit.com/r/anarchism
The only slaves who are happy, are the crazy ones.
"Ukranian fascists are okay, Russian fascists are not"
That is what makes a person (you) a hypocrite.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A4406E20140505
Western media aren't really all that much in unbiased reporting, are they?
Eastern Ukraine is ruled by violent mobs that attack innocent people, an article appearing a few days after 40 people were either burnt alive or finished off by club-wielding nazis.
Also, Obama was pretty funny. Ukraine is now a sovereign country and can use violence against its people. What it can't do is sign a trade agreement with Russia.
I can't see how Ukraine can carry on as one state, without the current government commiting more mass murders. I hope that something more comes out of this "mob rule" in the east.
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
Good internationalist statement from the AWU; http://avtonomia.net/2014/05/05/awu-...dessa-tragedy/
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
The amount of peoplw treating Borotba as anything other than just another pro-Russian force is... too goddamn high.
Anarchists -who pin the blame for the recent deaths equally to the nazis and the burnt victims- say borotba is "stalinist".
Now is it actually stalinist and we can therefore whole-heartedly support it in this clash or is it simply called stalinist in the same manner in which anarchists of a certain quality call anything stalinist?
...We shall never recognise equality with the peasant profiteer, just as we do not recognise “equality” between the exploiter and the exploited, between the sated and the hungry, nor the “freedom” for the former to rob the latter. And those educated people who refuse to recognise this difference we shall treat as whiteguards, even though they may call themselves democrats, socialists, internationalists, Kautskys, Chernovs, or Martovs.
V.I. Lenin
Well, Borotba isnt 'just another pro-russian force"
that would be the communist party of Ukraine. I'm not super partisan about any organization but come on... cool points cant be that easy on this website.
look's like their main concern is with fascism.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
I am not sure and I am beginning to have strong doubts as to the factual correctness of the statements made by the AWU. I haven't yet been able to find one single video showing molotovs being thrown from the inside of the building and yet there is ample evidence of molotovs being barraged at the building from the streets and this continued to happen after the building was already ablaze. In further video's I never see the detailed rescue operation before the police cordoned of the area and formed a line around the building. And until that happens we do see a lot of footage of outsiders continuing to throw things at the building.
I am not saying there is no evidence or footage. I am however saying that this footage yet needs to appear and I haven't found it at all.
So while the AWU seems to contrast with footage, eye witness accounts and live tweets it does seem more in line with the statements from the Kiev government about the origins of the fire. It also makes no mention of RS members arriving into Odessa from Western Ukraine days before the escalation. Nor of the attacks in the preceding days of Euro-Maidan activists on pro-autonomy demonstrations.
What I find disturbing is that the AWU is lumping pro-Russia and pro-autonomy together...which seems to parrot the Kiev regime and in fact the Russian line....and seems to deny there are more complex political forces involved than merely pro-Russia and pro-Kiev factions.
I am not saying their overall analysis is wrong. But I do find I want to be careful accepting their evaluation on face value.
Here is the anarchist statement on Borotba:
http://avtonomia.net/2014/03/03/stat...-organization/
We, the collectives and members of Ukrainian leftist and anarchist organizations, announce that “Borotba” union is not a part of our movement. During the whole time of this political project’s existence, its members tended to be committed to the most discredited, conservative and authoritarian “leftist” regimes and ideologies, which do not represent the interests of working classes in any way.
”Borotba” has proved itself an organization with a non-transparent funding mechanism and unscrupulous principles of cooperation. It uses hired workers, who are not even the members of the organization. The local cells of “Borotba” took part in the protest actions together with PSPU (Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, which is an anti-Semitic, racist, and clerical party, and has no relation to the world socialist movement) and with Kharkiv pro-government, anti-Semitic and homophobic group “Oplot”; and are known for their linkage with an infamous journalist O.Chalenko, who openly stands for Russian chauvinism.
Recent events demonstrate that the leadership of this union, following the example of the “Communist” Party of Ukraine, have been overtly defending the interests of president Yanukovych, justifying the use of weapons by security forces and denying the acts of unjustified violence and cruelty on their part, the use of tortures and other forms of political terror. The representatives of “Borotba” take an extremely biased stance concerning the composition of protest movement, which is represented both on their own web resources and in the media commentaries. According to them, the Maidan protests are supported exclusively by nationalists and radical right, and were aimed only at a coup d’etat (“fascist putsch”).
We stand on antifascist positions, and our activists have often been victims of radical rightists’ attacks. We do not support some of the Maidan’s ideas, and are against the bourgeois opposition. We also condemn conservative, nationalist, and radical right sentiments, which are tolerated in the protesters’ circles nowadays. However, we emphasize that labeling all active citizens as “fascists” is not only false, but also dangerous. This one-sidedness is fueling chauvinist hysteria and divides society, which is only favourable for the ruling class.
On January 24th, the region council deputy and “Borotba” representative Oleksiy Albu participated in the protection of Odesa region administration building against “Nazis”, accompanied by Russian Cossacks and nationalists (“Slavic Unity”) and the members of ruling Party of Regions and Communist Party. In his later interview, he admitted his cooperation with the Security Service of Ukraine.
On March 1st, “Borotba” activists together with pro-Putin organizations took part in the assault on Kharkiv region state administration, which resulted in raising of a Russian flag and severe beating of many Kharkiv Maidan activists, including a leftist poet Serhiy Zhadan. The members of “Borotba” call all of this “an antifascist action” and claim that these violent actions were aimed against radical rightists.
Therefore, we conclude that the leadership of “Borotba” union not only support the authoritarian Soviet past, but also consciously manipulate public opinion, and are acting as “pocket revolutionaries” of the ruling elites. Their activity at the moment does not have anything in common with leftist politics and class struggle, and is aimed at the support of pro-Putinist forces behind the mask of “antifascism” and “communism”. Thus, the actions of this organization are discrediting both its name (which is derived from revolutionaries-“borotbists” of the beginning of the XXth century) and all the modern Ukrainian left in general. Moreover, “Borotba” does not disdain overt lies and fact manipulations, deceiving foreign leftists and antifascists.
We urge all the conscious revolutionaries, who are still the members of “Borotba”, to leave this treacherous, pro-bourgeois union and to cease all the political relations with its leadership. We also hope that European and Russian left will reconsider their attitude to “Borotba.” The organization of this kind should be isolated.
No gods, no masters, no nations, no borders!
Workers of all countries – unite!
Autonomous Workers Union
Independent Student Union “Direct Action “
Journal of literature and social critique ProStory
Editorial board of Tovaryshka.info
Anarchist Black Cross – Ukraine
Anarcha-feminist collective Good Night Macho Pride
Anti-Fascist Action Ukraine
Visual Culture Research Centre
Left Opposition
Ivan Shmatko
Ostap Kuchma
Oleksandr Bogachenko-Mishevsky
Andriy Rosdolsky
Sviatoslav Stetskovych
Andriy Zdorov
Myroslav Chaikovsky
Serhii Ischenko
Pavlo Myronov
Vadym Gudyma (Left Opposition)
Olga Papash
(The statement is open for further signatories, organizations as well as individuals)
It does line up with this reconstruction; http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...eo-346192.html
And while I know kyivpost is in general here vilivied as "pro-maidian propaganda" it seems at least a lot more factual and void of unsubstantiated sloganeering than the RT items I have seen on the subject posted here.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
So the AWU have remembered that disturbances led by right-wing forces "cannot be considered a working-class social protest". Does this mean that they will criticise themselves over their unprincipled support for the Euromaidan protests?
And here is a helicopter getting hit by a rocket.
Self-Defense column in Slavyansk.
mind you, this article was posted by an anarchist, not some stalinophile putinist. the orange and black ribbon is the st george banner or whatever that is in memory of those who died in WWII.
The Tricolor is the "Donestskaya Respublika"
People's Defense of Donbass or something like that.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
If you read how that is worded there are some serious problems.
So...a spontaneous peaceful movement comes equipped with shields, sticks, smoke grenades and guns. Naturally all for self defense. But yeah....they meant no harm at all. Which is of course why they only brought all those weapons for self defense purposes.
I find this portrayal of events very, very lacking in critical analysis.
I've read or heard nothing that indicates that Borotba is on Putin's payroll. They have agitated, without using Russian imperialist themes, against Ukrainian fascism and the way most Ukrainian liberal technocrats accepted fascists as uneasy, but legitimate coalition parters since 2011. Their completely uncritical attitude towards the "anti-maidan" (there's some stuff there that definitely needs confronting), expressed in their articles, worries me (though they, likely, understandably don't want to fight on two fronts - but not wanting to do so has its own price).
What I find really and seriously disturbing is for Anarchists to parrot the Kiev line in perpetuating the narrative that everybody opposing the Kiev regime is in fact pro-Russian and a Russian agent.
This lack of criticism and nuance was certainly absent in their defense of Euro-maidan and dismissing the influence of right nationalist forces in order to justify the "peoples anger". The influence of these forces however and the influence of RS and Svoboda activists in exporting violence and opposition towards Eastern Ukraine now seems to be again diminished and there is no substance in nuance about the motives of the opposition forces....which all seem to consist of pro-Russian militants or duped workers. No such duped workers during Euro-maidan that rebellion was justified.
Someone hold me, because I'm about to agree with PhA. Methinks that our "anarchists" (I put that word in quotes because I suspect Bakunin would be insulted to have his name connected to people shilling for bourgeois governments) have absorbed a bit too much of the nonsense about "Europe" as a great progressive force, and their foreign fans - well, they haven't broken with Obama ever since he was elected, and they aren't about to start now.
It should be noted, if it hasn't already been mentioned, that reactionary forces are on both sides. Most obviously with the Cossack involvement in the east. (and the occasional Russian Imperial flag.)
I don't know if there is a difference between Ukrainian and Russian/Caucasian Cossack organizations, but if there is none, then there is a problem.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
I suspect there are none. And of course, there are reactionaries on both sides - if the AWU had acknowledged that from the first day of the Glorious People'sFascist(silly me, I forgot fascism doesn't actually exist and was invented by devious foreign types to slander Ukrainian revolutionaries) Revolution, no one would criticise them. Instead they supported Euromaidan, without even being paid for their services.
Last edited by Anglo-Saxon Philistine; 5th May 2014 at 20:20.
