Crisis in the Ukraine

[Sasha]

Dispatch From Crimea

Posted by Brendan Kiley on Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:16 AM

• Chris Collison
• Flowers for the colonel for not abandoning his post.

This morning, Chris Collison sent a quick text message with some phone-photos from the Crimean peninsula where he's reporting for JN1 TV.
Russian-occupied Crimea is not a friendly place for journalists at the moment. Chris says authorities are blocking all Ukrainian TV channels so the residents hear nothing but Russian news—we've seen how baldfaced Russian authorities have been (diplomats in Britain, for example, denying Russian troops were in Ukraine via Twitter).
Russian legislators have also proposed a bill criminalizing "the publication of false, anti-Russian information that provides information in support of extremist and separatist, anti-Russian forces, including portrayals of events beyond Russian borders." And journalists in Crimea are being roughed up and threatened at gunpoint in the area:
With that as a backdrop, take it away Chris:

We arrived this morning in Simferopol, the regional capital of Crimea. As soon as we got off the train, we were met by a line of "self-defense" forces guarding the entrance to the city. These guys are all over Crimea at the moment. They seem to have taken over for much of the security operations since the Russians came. They are guarding the parliament building, where nearby they have a sign-up booth for new recruits. There's also a tent for United Russia (Putin's political party).
Pro-Ukrainian activists held a rally near the city center where they argued with supporters of Russian integration. Many on the pro-Ukraine side were Crimean Tatars and students. A little boy offered a flower to an elderly woman who had been arguing with the crowd. She turned to him and said, "I'm not Ukrainian. I'm Russian." After some persistence she relented and took it.

• Chris Collison

The demonstration started small, but swelled as more people from both sides arrived. A big group of pro-Russian protesters marched down the street, and then everyone began moving toward the parliament. Both sides seemed to be about the same size. Interestingly, the police walked with the pro-Ukrainian group to guard them, while the "self-protection" squads joined the pro-Russian march.
We marched with the Ukrainian side to a regional military point, where protesters gave flowers to the soldiers stationed there and called them as heroes for not leaving their post. We spoke with a colonel who told us that troops there have been under pressure by Russian forces to pack up and leave.

• Chris Collison

Authorities have been blocking Ukrainian channels here, so people are pretty much only getting Russian news and local channels on TV. I did a standup in front of the cabinet of ministers, and a group of guys gathered around to try and intimidate us. One asked me condescendingly, "What is the English news lying about today?" They stood to the side while I did my report and made cracks about the Ukrainian and western media lying about what is going on. They were quite hostile, but they eventually got bored and left after we finished.

• Chris Collison

We are taking a bus to Feodosia in a few minutes. My colleague says Ukrainians are guarding a military base there from Russian forces.
More to come...

• Chris Collison

• Chris Collison

• Chris Collison

source: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...om-crimea#more

[Krasnyy]

So who so the lesser of evils in this situation,which side better serves the interests of impoverished and working class people?


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[Red Commissar]

The "Olga" in question is Olga Bogomolets - a Ukrainian multi-millionaire medical entrepreneur and owner of a chain of medical clinics, who was featured in the news in Ukraine last summer, because a rights activist accused her of sending thugs after him, who knocked out his teeth and brutally beat him (he suffered damage to internal organs) on the day of the court hearing, where he accused her of illegally appropriating the land and river surrounding her castle.

For those speaking Russian here are the links:

http://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/izvestnogo...ka-315906.html

http://www.ua-pravda.com/slabiy-pol/...i-ukraini.html

I see, but what I'm wondering is the comments on the tape that Paet attributed to her. Paet says that this Olga told him about the autopsies being inconsistent, and she says she never said anything of the sort. Was this Olga, with the background you've described, not wanting to mess up her own plans? (then again, why relate this in the first place if that was the case?) Did Paet mishear? It's already bad news for a government that the EU will be supporting, so I can't see why Paet would've made up the comments intentionally, unless it was some really hamfisted bizarre scheme to set up for this to explode in the Russian's faces later.

Problem is where I'm standing is that if there is doubt to these comments, then there is going to be difficulty in pursuing the angle that the snipers were not from the government.

[aristos]

Some or many/most of them could have been paid shills. We know a huge amount were at many other similar rallies. That's what the initial USD 5 billion were for, and there
have been new financial infusions since then.
This is not a conspiracy but flows naturally from the fact that the quality of life in Ukraine is so catastrophically low that people are willing to do anything (even explicitly go against their own long term interests) in order to earn cash.
The bit about the Tatars is misleading. As far as I know the Majlis is against the referendum, but by far not all Tatars are part of it and the Majlis is the only source newspapers like this get their info on Tatar opinions from.

Anyway. HERE is a highly interesting report by the revleft user fractal-vortex who allegedly lives in Kiev. During Maidan he conducted a small survey (37 people in all) among the people manning the barricades during the riots. There is an English version inside so everyone should be able to read it.

Let's see, what main complaints we get:

1) Corruption, politicians can do whatever they want with impunity.
2) Yanukovich should go.
3) Yanukovich should die.
3) Yanukovich is a dictator (how is he more of a dictator than any other president?)
4) Plotitcians make things difficult for small and medium business.
4) Hope to become a successful petit-bourgeois.
5) Hope to marry and raise a family.
4) Down with the communists (communists? where?)
4) Split the party of regions (what about other bourgeois parties)
5) Absence of faith and moral values(!)
7) National identity(!!)
8) Want to get out of Ukraine and live abroad (!!!)

Even if we ignore the alarming absence of any female/trans voices, no socialist content in sight.

OK, people want to better their lot. This is perfectly understandable. Well, let's see now what solutions these betterers of society have come up with.

- They put the same corrupt politicians in charge that reigned before Yanukovich, this time with an overwhelming Nazi component to boot.
- They started (though still thankfully only sporadic) pogroms and intimidation campaigns against ethnic Russians and anyone who might criticize the current power in the slightest.
- Repression of the rights of minorities.
- The corrupt politicians and outright Nazis gave the reigns to Oligarchs to "get rid of corruption and restore order" - in other words the same thieves are tasked with making sure no theft is done - what a brilliant idea.
- The right to protest, unless the protests are FOR those in power, have been severely curtailed and outright repressed.
- Austerity measures, so more impoverishment and now you can really forget that boutique you always wanted to open.
- Additional taxes.
- No more cheap gas.
- Highly probable no more cheap electricity either, if the soon to be take-over of the power stations by RWE is to be believed.
No more lucrative Russian market - and certainly no one in EU needs or wants Ukrainian produce (say bye-bye to agriculture).
Spiraling unemployment as companies start to fold and lay off workers in an unstoppable chain reaction.
Open borders with EU obviously out of the question in such a situation.
Robberies and murder in broad daylight rule the day (or so people report).
Theft of military weapons from armouries which can then be used for terrorist attacks all over the world.
Possible war with Russia (and maybe even NATO bombardment)
The country is on its way to becoming second Kosovo. Main source of income trafficking and organ trade.

Well done guys, standing ovations!

[PhoenixAsh]

totally more fun:


Videos have sprung on YouTube alleging that the US private security service formerly known as Blackwater is operating in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk. Western press is hitting back, accusing Russia of fabricating reports to justify “aggression.”

The authenticity of videos allegedly made in downtown Donetsk on March 5 is hard to verify. In the footage, unidentified armed men in military outfits equipped with Russian AK assault rifles and American М4А1 carbines are securing the protection of some pro-Kiev activists amidst anti-government popular protests.



The regional administration building in Donetsk has changed hands many times, with either pro-Russian protesters or pro-Kiev forces declaring capture of the authority headquarters. In the logic of the tape, at some point the new officials appointed by revolutionary Kiev managed to occupy the administration, but then – as the building was surrounded by angry protesters – demanded to secure a safe evacuation.



This is where the armed professionals come in. The protesters, after several moments of shock, start shouting, “Blackwater!,” and “Mercenaries!,” as well as “Faggots!,” and “Who are you going to shoot at?!” But the armed men drive off in the blink of an eye without saying a word.

Surely these men were not Blackwater – simply because such a company does not exist anymore. It has changed its name twice in recent years and is now called Academi.

The latest article on the case, published by the Daily Mail, claims that though these people did look like professional mercenaries, they conducted the operation too openly.

“On the face of it, the uniforms of the people in the videos are consistent with US mercs - they don't look like Russian soldiers mercs. On the other hand, why run around in public making a show of it?” said DM Dr Nafeez Ahmed, a security expert with the Institute for Policy Research & Development.

“I think the question is whether the evidence available warrants at least reasonable speculation.”

Ahmed also added that “Of course the other possibility is it's all Russian propaganda.”

Why would Russia need to make such provocation? The Daily Mail explained that “any suggestion that a US mercenary outfit like Blackwater, known now as Academi, had begun operating in east Ukraine could give Russian President Vladimir Putin the pretext for a military invasion.”

Other western media outlets are maintaining that a “Russian invasion” has already began, because the heavily armed military personnel now controlling all major infrastructure in Crimea are “obviously” Russians.

Armed men march outside an Ukrainian military base in the village of Perevalnoye near the Crimean city of Simferopol March 9, 2014.(Reuters / Thomas Peter )Armed men march outside an Ukrainian military base in the village of Perevalnoye near the Crimean city of Simferopol March 9, 2014.(Reuters / Thomas Peter )

The Daily Beast media outlet went even further. On the last day of February, it published an article alleging that “polite Russians” in Crimea are actually...employees of Russian security service providers.

While there are indeed several military-oriented security service providers in Russia, it however appears highly unlikely that all of them combined could provide personnel for such a wide-scale operation.

At the beginning of the week, Russian state TV reported that several hundred armed men with military-looking bags arrived to the international airport of Kiev.

It was reported that the tough guys are employees of Greystone Limited, a subsidiary of Vehicle Services Company LLC belonging to Blackwater/XE/Academi.

Greystone Limited mercenaries are part of what is called ‘America’s Secret Army,’ providing non-state military support not constrained by any interstate agreements, The Voice of Russia reported.

But they are not the only ones. A Russian national that took part in clashes in Kiev was arrested in Russia’s Bryansk region this week. He made a statement on record that he met a large number of foreigners taking active part in the fighting with police.

He claimed he saw dozens of military-clad people from Germany, Poland, and Turkey, as well as English speakers who were possibly from the US, Russkaya Gazeta reported earlier this week.

Ivan Fursov, RT

[aristos]

Fresh info indicates that Ukrainian Army units have taken positions at the border to Crimea and have finished setting up their anti-aircraft systems. People predict there are two scenarios possible.

Either this is a diversion and the real target are the other regions to the East like Donetsk and Lugansk where they intend to destroy the anti-maidan resistance once and for all.

Or, and this is a very, very dangerous situation, they actually intend to storm Crimea.
Since it is impossible for the Ukranian Army to take Crimea in their current state (they will be anihilated) the aim is more cynical. They will stage a false flag operation in which fighters pretending to be Russians (the foreign mercenaries that Ukraine is full of now will most probably play this role) will attack Ukrainian troops inflicting brutal carnage. This will then be shown to the international community as a blatant act of aggression on the part of the Russians. NATO involvement follows.

I really hope that none of this takes place. It would be really shitty for a WWIII to break out.
Some say that the attack may happen either today or at the latest in 2 days time (if it happens).

Here are also a couple of interesting interviews with Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts070314.htm

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne...clear_War.html

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[Sasha]

A Kiev Question: What Became of the Missing?



KIEV, Ukraine — Volodymyr Danyluk was a Soviet Army veteran who joined demonstrations against Ukraine’s government last year. He was 55 years old, separated from his wife and mostly out of contact with his family, who saw him on live television during a winter of protests.Then came the authorities’ crackdown last month in Kiev, the capital. The riot police and demonstrators clashed, scores of people were killed and the government of President Viktor F. Yanukovych fell. Mr. Danyluk disappeared from sight.
In the weeks since, Ukraine’s interim authorities have allowed opposition members to search prisons, morgues and hospitals for their missing. There has been no sign of Mr. Danyluk — or of more than 250 other missing Ukrainians.
After a season of political upheaval here, a gnawing worry persists: What happened to Ukrainians who seemingly vanished in their revolution’s fast-moving tides? Were Mr. Danyluk and the others victims of state repression and criminal activity by the police, or had some of them just drifted back to quiet lives?
“Our mom is worried and calling me all the time,” said Mr. Danyluk’s sister, Galyna Onyshchuk, crying.
In all, 661 people have been reported missing since protests began last December, according to Euromaidan S O S, a volunteer group leading efforts to find the disappeared. The fates of 272 of them remained unknown late last week.
Many people were found in prison cells or hospitals, or resurfaced on their own, said Vitaliy Selyk, a Euromaidan S O S coordinator. Some cases were caused by breakdowns in communications, including people who lost cellphones or ran out of credit on SIM cards, he said.
A few of the missing were people estranged from families and whose recent silence was by choice. Mr. Selyk said he expected that most of the remaining cases would be solved and that the missing would turn up.
But beneath that hope lies the grim concern that many Ukrainians may have disappeared after being seized by the Berkut riot police unit, by pro-Russian provocateurs or by unofficial forces that worked to keep Mr. Yanukovych in power.
This fear, cited almost universally by the opposition, is rooted in two particular cases.
The first was the killing of Yuriy Verbytskyi, a seismologist and an opposition activist, who was found dead in January in the forest near Boryspil after being abducted from a Kiev hospital.
A fellow abductee who survived, Igor Lutsenko, told journalists that their captors spoke Russian, beat them, interrogated them about their activities in the opposition and generally behaved like police officers.
The second case was the abduction of Dmytro Bulatov, an organizer of AutoMaidan, a mobile opposition movement that includes drivers who ferried demonstrators to protests.
Mr. Bulatov disappeared in late January. He turned up a week later, bloodied and bearing signs of torture that he said he received at the hands of people he believed were members of Russia’s special services.
Ukraine’s Interior Ministry, then under the control of Mr. Yanukovych, suggested that Mr. Bulatov had faked his own kidnapping as an antigovernment provocation.
That assertion undercut the public’s confidence that the authorities would dedicate themselves to solving missing-person cases that might point to a government role or official complicity.
Abuses by the ministry’s riot police have been well established, including the taunting humiliation of Mihailo Gavryluk, a farmer from western Ukraine who, upon being arrested last month, was forced to stand outside naked in the wintry cold while masked and hooded police officers posed for photographs with him.
Part of this episode was posted in a video on YouTube. In it, one officer slaps him and gives him a stern kick.
Mr. Gavryluk said the Berkut officers who arrested him tore off his clothes. “They had fun,” he said, darkly.
But he noted that his luck soon turned better. The Berkut police were busy, and often left detainees at police stations or hospitals scattered around the city. Mr. Gavryluk said he was taken to a hospital where veterans who fought in the Soviet war in Afghanistan and were loyal to the opposition were active.
The veterans quickly spirited him back to the square, he said. When the police returned to pick him up for prosecution, he was gone.
Another former detainee, Andriy Babyn, described a law enforcement system overwhelmed by the large number of people arrested as Ukrainians turned out to fight. “There was practically a war going on,” he said.
One result, Mr. Babyn said, was that some detainees ended up at police stations or jails where officers were either neutral or sympathetic to the opposition.
But the same characteristics of an overburdened prisoner-intake system meant that detainees were scattered across the region, opening the possibility for police abuse. That has also made a full accounting of the detainees difficult.
Mr. Selyk, of Euromaidan S O S, also noted that many bloodstains had been found at areas where detainees were handled — possible evidence of police crime.
“Although we can find blood traces everywhere, we need DNA tests to find which people were where,” he said. “This is a huge amount of work, and there is some chance that the police will not do it.”
More than two weeks since the last clashes, many people remain missing, even after thorough checks at hospitals and prisons. Rumors are rampant.
One macabre story, common in Independence Square, is that 50 opposition members being treated in a hastily organized medical aid station in the Trade Union building were killed and burned beyond recognition by the fire that gutted the building.
This tale is largely false, people involved in the searches said. A few people did die in the blaze, they said, but the number of victims was six or fewer.
Among those lost in the fire was Volodymyr Topij, 59, from Vyshnya, for whom at least one missing-person circular was still posted in the opposition encampment. Mr. Topij’s remains were identified last week. His body was escorted home for burial.
A more sinister whisper on the street is that the authorities, to mask widespread police crimes, arranged for the cremation of more than 100 bodies of those they killed.
Euromaidan S O S has investigated these claims, and Mr. Selyk said they also appear false. “We know people who work in the crematorium,” he said, “and they say it is not true.”
In the absence of clear information, the cases linger, unsolved, including that of Volodymyr Tsarenko, who left his home on Feb. 19.
Mr. Tsarenko, an elderly pensioner with strong nationalist sentiments, was last seen walking along a highway in the countryside south of Kiev.
At the time, the confrontation between the government and opposition was at a fierce pitch, and pro-government thugs were roaming roads, intimidating people they suspected of trying to reach the demonstrations in the capital.
Mr. Tsarenko’s son, Oleksandr, said he had searched the woods along the road, looking for his father’s body. After reporting his father missing, he was summoned to a morgue to view the body of an unidentified man. That man was not his father.
He said he suspected that his father had been taken by pro-Yanukovych gangs or police officers trying to prevent opposition supporters from reaching the capital.
“Lots of buses with anti-Maidan people were roaming around,” he said, “and they could have grabbed him.”

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/wo...e-missing.html

[cyu]

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...-ukraine-coup/

If there is a “war” in Ukraine today, it is to determine which of the imperialist Western powers will have priority “rights” in absorbing this nation of 46 million people into its orbit to become yet another sub-colony of imperialism.

Nuland’s apology for her poor choice of words was not accompanied by any apology for U.S. moves to dominate the future neoliberal exploitation of Ukraine, as opposed to handing over this right to longstanding U.S. competitors—not to mention the wannabe imperialist Russian oligarch regime. some 20-plus years ago the USSR’s wealth and resources were stolen, with U.S. complicity, by the tiny layer of former Stalinist bureaucrats who now preside over capitalist Russia, today a minor player in the world imperialist configuration.

Assistant Secretary Nuland directed her ire not against Russia but rather Germany, France, and Poland—who brokered the deal as to the future composition of the Ukrainian government and the distribution of that nation’s industrial strength and rich and fertile agricultural resources. This was an unacceptable arrangement in the eyes of imperial America.

Nuland and Pyatt revealed their choice of United Nations “glue” to cement any Ukraine deal. the U.S.-handpicked and subservient UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon would be called in to “negotiate” the nation’s future, rather than a more pro-EU assortment of capitalist plunderers.

John Kerry visited Kiev in a further attempt to shoulder aside EU competitors in a deal. Kerry offered $1 billion in loan guarantees to the Ukrainian coup-makers and promised to send in a host of U.S. “technical experts” to help re-align the country’s national bank and finance ministry.

Today’s Russian billionaires are puny compared to U.S. bankers who looted the U.S. Treasury to the tune of some $30 trillion. This was accomplished with the absolute complicity of the subservient Obama administration, which is little more than the governmental mask or façade of America’s real ruling class.

Yanukovych and his government’s original intention to resolve its virtual bankruptcy via the EU austerity plan momentarily gave way to Russian President Putin’s counter-offer of $15 billion in bail-out loans to the Ukrainian oligarchs—mostly former Stalinist bureaucrats themselves—which are peanuts in comparison to the $51 billion the Russians spent on the Sochi spectacle.

Because of the nature of the IMF-imposed economic agenda, Ukraine would find it very difficult to ever escape the debt cycle. The IMF mandates, for example that capitalist profits be only minimally taxed, the government provide generous support for capitalist ventures, public services be privatized, and restrictions on transfer of capitalist profits abroad be minimal. As a result, it would be difficult, if not impossible, for any Ukrainian government to raise funds for basic institutions people need to live a quality life.

However, Yanukovych could not say such things. during his time in power, he—like all the Ukrainian rulers since 1992—had already been pursuing measures similar to the IMF. privatizing public resources, cutting public spending, cutting subsidies for major industries—leading to stagnation, non-payment of wages, and benefit cuts—and imposing market mechanisms. while the standard of living has fallen for the majority, politicians and their cronies managed to considerably enrich themselves and acquire vast fortunes.

Ukrainian people have already tasted the effects of Western “aid.” Eighty percent of all Foreign Direct Investment in that country has been from the West, with little or no tangible results for the Ukrainian people and billions in profits for corporate investors and financial speculators.

[Hexen]

Fresh info indicates that Ukrainian Army units have taken positions at the border to Crimea and have finished setting up their anti-aircraft systems. People predict there are two scenarios possible.

Either this is a diversion and the real target are the other regions to the East like Donetsk and Lugansk where they intend to destroy the anti-maidan resistance once and for all.

Or, and this is a very, very dangerous situation, they actually intend to storm Crimea.
Since it is impossible for the Ukranian Army to take Crimea in their current state (they will be anihilated) the aim is more cynical. They will stage a false flag operation in which fighters pretending to be Russians (the foreign mercenaries that Ukraine is full of now will most probably play this role) will attack Ukrainian troops inflicting brutal carnage. This will then be shown to the international community as a blatant act of aggression on the part of the Russians. NATO involvement follows.

I really hope that none of this takes place. It would be really shitty for a WWIII to break out.
Some say that the attack may happen either today or at the latest in 2 days time (if it happens).

Here are also a couple of interesting interviews with Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts070314.htm

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldne...clear_War.html

+ YouTube Video

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First of all Paul Craig Roberts is a conspiracy theorist (He said the same thing about the Georgia incident leading up to "WW3" like he's doing here now) and plus the articles you've linked to are very sketchy as well.

[PhoenixAsh]

Republic of Crimea declared independence from the Ukraine today.

“We, the members of the parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Sevastopol City Council, with regard to the charter of the United Nations and a whole range of other international documents and taking into consideration the confirmation of the status of Kosovo by the United Nations International Court of Justice on July, 22, 2010, which says that unilateral declaration of independence by a part of the country doesn’t violate any international norms, make this decision,” says the text of the declaration, which was published by the Crimean media.

^ Which is an ultimate FU to the EU and its hypocritical stance on independence for Kosovo and Ossetia.

[Bala Perdida]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkf...e_gdata_player

Nothing we didn't already know, but this is a good analysis. The author is a little weird at times, but I think he gives a good analysis of U.S. foreign policy.

[Sasha]

armed fascist volunteers are infiltrating the Crimea, serbian chetnic and cossack fascists on the side of the "anti-fascist" russians that is; http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/w...nd-crimea.html and http://news.yahoo.com/serbian-parami...080011724.html

[cyu]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomeg...ael-and-russia

officials privately and commentators publicly are rallying to Mr Putin’s cause, contrasting his donning of a yarmulka at the Jewish holy site of Jerusalem’s Western (“Wailing”) Wall with the alleged fascist and anti-Semitic tendencies of his Ukrainian adversaries. “It is in our national interest, without being under any idealistic illusions, to nurture ties with a Russia whose leader seems to have dramatically broken with centuries of Tsarist and Bolshevik anti-Semitism and now displays friendship towards the Jewish people,” wrote a right-wing Australian-born activist in the country’s most widely read newspaper. Israel’s wooing of Russia is not mere flirtation. Israel’s upwardly-mobile 1m-strong citizens of Soviet background further cement ties. Several key ministries, including foreign affairs, are headed by Russian-speakers who left the Soviet Union.

[SHORAS]

The Israeli state is simply looking out for its interests, instead of switching allegiances from the USA which it receives billions in 'aid' from it will play one imperialism off another much like other countries do from time to time. PR from any quarter is usually good too.

[GerrardWinstanley]

The laughable Zionist logic in that puff piece is that Russia may one day come to replace America as Israel's chief lapdog —presumably donating billions in aid every year and attacking any country that stands in Israel's their way?— because, obviously, not to do so would be anti-Semitic, like the thugs in Kiev... and Putin, don't forget, visited Israel.

There is a difference, you know, between friendship between countries —even when cynical and unwarranted— (Russia-Israel) and anilingus (US-Israel).

[cyu]

Maybe some officials in Israel have also thought all along that the US would be their "lapdog" but have had their illusions shattered by the American regime's tolerance / support for fascists in Ukraine. Not everyone in American foreign policy circles think alike, and if some are willing to support fascists to achieve their geopolitical goals, and if those people are now able to largely determine American foreign policy, well, it would probably be like finding out your best friend was trying to seduce your wife.

Dumb move on the part of the American regime though, but it's not like fascism was ever an ideology that was meant to survive for long xD

[Craig_J]

OK, so I'm going to admit I am ashamed of myself but I don't know anywhere near as much as I should about this.

Are the fascists already in power in Ukraine???

If not, who are?

If you could get me any sort of brief information on this that would be helpful (I would look myself but I'm quite busy with uni work)

Is this one off those all to common situations where no good can come off it no matter which way it goes?

[Sasha]

OK, so I'm going to admit I am ashamed of myself but I don't know anywhere near as much as I should about this.

Are the fascists already in power in Ukraine???

If not, who are?

If you could get me any sort of brief information on this that would be helpful (I would look myself but I'm quite busy with uni work)

Is this one off those all to common situations where no good can come off it no matter which way it goes?

There are two extreme-right/fascist parties in the broad (but rightwing/liberal) coalition that governs in a "caretaker" government Ukraine until the elections in may, so while having power, they dont have THE power in the fascist sense yet.
The "anti-fascist" invasion and capture of the Crimean dis ofcourse essentially guarantee a massive extreme-right/fascist election victory

[cyu]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-killed-nuclea

"someone" has just leaked another phone conversation between parliamentarian Nestor Shufrych and former PM and ideological leader of the Ukraine "revolution" Yulia Tymoshenko and most probable future president of West Ukraine.

Tymoshenko, after asked, "what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts"... to which she replies: "They must be killed with nuclear weapons."

[tallguy]

There are two extreme-right/fascist parties in the broad (but rightwing/liberal) coalition that governs in a "caretaker" government Ukraine until the elections in may, so while having power, they dont have THE power in the fascist sense yet.
The "anti-fascist" invasion and capture of the Crimean dis ofcourse essentially guarantee a massive extreme-right/fascist election victory

I think it's too early to say that Sasha. I have seen no credible footage of a mass of ordinary Ukrainians who support the right-wing/fascist coup in Kiev. The only reports I am seeing to that effect are Western media allegations and folks like yourself asserting it on forums like this. If wider support for the current incumbents running the show in Kiev was so ubiquitous and unanimous in greater Ukraine, then why are we not seeing it splashed all over our media here in the West since it would be a propaganda goldmine for the USA and its cronies would it not?