Crisis in the Ukraine

[cyu]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...e-gas-producer

The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Working with Liberals or Stalinists/ML.

I am not sure I see the difference.

There is one reason I would work with either and that is on an anti-fascist platform. And that is indeed wholly opportunistic.

This presumes a homogenous "Stalinism" which is an ahistorical construction based on debates in the 30's. But if you are referring to the quasi-eurocommunists of the CPU well then there can't be any anti-fascist work with the running dogs of Russian imperialism. Borboko or whatever that one Ukrainian "communist" group is called does seem to put out statements that look nice and played the whole neither kiev nor putin game but so did the Autonomous Union and they turned out to be filth as well so until they prove themselves I don't see them as any more progressive than the Donbass People's Militia, as in not progressive at all.

Also it's funny the person who works with the Dutch Socialist Party is talking about opportunism.

[PhoenixAsh]

This presumes a homogenous "Stalinism" which is an ahistorical construction based on debates in the 30's. But if you are referring to the quasi-eurocommunists of the CPU well then there can't be any anti-fascist work with the running dogs of Russian imperialism. Borboko or whatever that one Ukrainian "communist" group is called does seem to put out statements that look nice and played the whole neither kiev nor putin game but so did the Autonomous Union and they turned out to be filth as well so until they prove themselves I don't see them as any more progressive than the Donbass People's Militia, as in not progressive at all.

Also it's funny the person who works with the Dutch Socialist Party is talking about opportunism.

I don't work with the Dutch Socialist Party. I used to be a member right up until they abandoned Marxism...after which I left...and that was several decades ago and in lieu of more radical alternatives. Besides that I never denied opportunism and in fact don't think opportunism to push for certain strategical goals is necessarily a bad thing.

However wrong and specious certain statements and conclusions of the AWU are this does not deny the basic tendency is the same and on many points we do agree. This is rarely the case with Stalinism because of its inherent doctrine of authority and organization which will inadevertently lead to repression. From that perspective Stalinism is homogenous and anti-thetical to Anarchism and will inevitably lead to anti-working class policies...and because of that it differs little from bourgeois liberals when it comes to cooperating with them.

In both cases our goals do collide sometimes and in these cases it might be advantageous to find grounds for cooperation. However, I would oppose Stalinism just as much as Liberal bourgeois regimes.

[Sasha]

big groups of local industrial workers are reported to be kicking out the separatist militia's and Russian agitators from some mayor separatist strongholds,
while I think its pretty obvious this is no spontaneous workers action but a move ordered by the industrial bosses to protect their interests this still an interesting and potentially game chancing development (if true).

Workers Seize City in Eastern Ukraine From Separatists

By ANDREW E. KRAMERMAY 15, 2014


Photo

An almost deserted Ilyich Iron and Steel plant in Mariupol on Thursday. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times



MARIUPOL, Ukraine — Thousands of steelworkers fanned out on Thursday through the city of Mariupol, establishing control over the streets and banishing the pro-Kremlin militants who until recently had seemed to be consolidating their grip on power, dealing a setback to Russia and possibly reversing the momentum in eastern Ukraine.
By late Thursday, miners and steelworkers had deployed in at least five cities, including the regional capital, Donetsk. They had not, however, become the dominant force there that they were in Mariupol, the region’s second-largest city and the site last week of a bloody confrontation between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian militants.


While it was still far too early to say the tide had turned in eastern Ukraine, the day’s events were a blow to separatists who recently seized control here and in a dozen or so other cities and who held a referendum on independence on Sunday. Backed by the Russian propaganda machine and by 40,000 Russian troops just over the border, their grip on power seemed to be tightening every day.
Photo

The company produces five million tons of slab steel a year. Many of its employees have joined patrols. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times But polls had indicated that a strong majority of eastern Ukrainians supported unity, though few were prepared to say so publicly in the face of armed pro-Russian militants. When President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia withdrew support for the separatists last week, calling for a delay in the referendum and for dialogue on Ukraine’s future, the political winds shifted, providing an opening that the country’s canny oligarchs could exploit.
The workers who took to the streets on Thursday were among the hundreds of thousands in the east who are employed in metals and mining by Ukraine’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov, who only recently went beyond paying lip service to Ukrainian unity and on Wednesday issued a statement rejecting separatism.
Critics say Mr. Akhmetov could have prevented much of the bloodshed in the east if he had taken a strong stance sooner. But his lieutenants say he decided to confront the separatists out of a deep belief that independence, or even quasi-autonomy, would be disastrous for eastern Ukraine. Mr. Akhmetov urged his employees, whose jobs were at risk, to take over the city.
The workers, who were wearing only their protective clothing and hard hats, said they were “outside politics” and were just trying to establish order. Faced with waves of steelworkers joined by the police, the pro-Russian protesters melted away, along with signs of the self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic and its representatives. Backhoes and dump trucks from the steelworkers’ factory dismantled the barricades that separatists had erected.
Metinvest and DTEK, the metals and mining subsidiaries of Mr. Akhmetov’s company, System Capital Management, together employ 280,000 people in eastern Ukraine, forming an important and possibly decisive force in the region. They have a history of political activism stretching back to miner strikes that helped bring down the Soviet Union. In this conflict, they had not previously signaled their allegiance to one side or the other.
It remains possible that the separatists could regroup and challenge the industrial workers, though few were to be found in and around Mariupol on Thursday, even in the public administration building they had been occupying.
“We have to bring order to the city,” Aleksei Gorlov, a steelworker, said of his motivation for joining one of the unpaid and voluntary patrols that were organized at Ilyich Iron and Steel Works. Groups of about six steelworkers accompanied two police officers on the patrols.
“People organize themselves,” he said. “In times of troubles, that is how it works.”
Workers from another mill, Azovstal Iron and Steel Works, took one side of the city, while the Ilyich factory took the other. Both groups were trying to persuade longshoremen to patrol the port, Mr. Gorlov said.
The two steel mills fly Ukrainian flags outside their headquarters, though like so much else in Ukraine, the lines of loyalty are muddled. At least a portion of the police in the city mutinied last Friday, leading to a shootout with the Ukrainian National Guard that killed at least seven people.
The chief executive of Ilyich Steel Works, Yuri Zinchenko, is leading the steelworker patrols in the city. He said the company had remained on the sidelines as long as possible, while tacitly supporting unity with Ukraine by conveying to workers that a separatist victory would close export markets in Europe, devastating the factory and the town.
Though the workers had differing views of the new government in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, on the whole they supported the patrols to restore order, employees and managers said. “Everybody can have their own opinion, but not at work,” Sergei Istratov, a shift boss at the factory, said. “At work, you have to do what the factory demands.”
Yuri Ryzhenkov, the chief executive of Metinvest, which is ranked among the top five steel producers globally, said managers had been conveying to workers: “The most important thing you have is the steel mill. If you have the steel mill, you have jobs, salaries and stability for your families.”
Once patrols began, he said, representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic visited the Ilyich factory, demanding to know what was happening. “They were not very friendly at first,” Mr. Ryzhenkov said. But the patrols were welcomed in town, he said, and militants had little option but to acquiesce, at least in Mariupol.
“The Donetsk People’s Republic understands if they attack unarmed local people, they will lose all support here,” he said.
The effort is more than ad hoc. The coal and steel workers will soon have uniforms for the street patrols, Metinvest executives said, with patches identifying them as members of the “Volunteer People’s Patrol.”

If the patrols are successful, they said, they will try the tactic in most major cities in the Donetsk region, though not in Slovyansk, a stronghold of pro-Russian militants where Metinvest and DTEK have no factories or mines.
Ilyich Iron and Steel, a grimy scene of mid-20th-century industrial sprawl, is one of Ukraine’s most important factories, producing five million tons of slab steel a year. About 50,000 people work in the steel industry in Mariupol, a city of 460,000. So far, 18,000 steelworkers have signed up for the patrols, Metinvest executives say.
“There’s no family in Mariupol that’s not connected to the steel industry,” Mr. Zinchenko said in an interview at his desk, which was decorated with a miniature Ukrainian flag. He said he had negotiated a truce with local representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic, but not with the group’s leaders.
Mr. Akhmetov’s statement detailed the daunting problems facing the regional economy — and his assets — if the Donetsk People’s Republic were to win its struggle with Kiev.
“Nobody in the world will recognize it,” he said in a videotaped statement. “The structure of our economy is coal, industry, metallurgy, energy, machine works, chemicals and agriculture, and all the enterprises tied to these sectors. We will come under huge sanctions, we will not sell our products, cannot produce. This means the stopping of factories, this means unemployment, this means poverty.”
Russia itself exports steel, so it has never been a significant market for the output of the Donetsk region.
Residents welcomed the steelworker patrols for bringing an end to chaos and insecurity. They said masked men had robbed four grocery stores, a shop selling hunting rifles and a jewelry store, and that they had burned down a bank.
The crowds of pro-Russian protesters who had jeered and cursed Ukrainian soldiers last week were nowhere to be seen. On the city’s central square Thursday afternoon, a pro-Russian rally drew a few dozen protesters, who were watched over by a group of steelworkers.
The government in Kiev rebutted reports that the police chief had been found hanging and dead in the town. He had indeed been kidnapped by gunmen and was severely beaten, the Interior Ministry said, but he was eventually rescued.
“There are a lot of idiots with guns in my city,” said Aleksey Rybinsev, 38, a computer programmer who added he welcomed the new patrols, though he feared they might develop into another informal militia group. “I haven’t seen a policeman all day. I didn’t see them, and I didn’t want to see them.”

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/wo...pgtype=article

[Sasha]

big groups of local industrial workers are reported to be kicking out the separatist militia's and Russian agitators from some mayor separatist strongholds,
while I think its pretty obvious this is no spontaneous workers action but a move ordered by the industrial bosses to protect their interests this still an interesting and potentially game chancing development (if true).

Workers Seize City in Eastern Ukraine From Separatists

By ANDREW E. KRAMERMAY 15, 2014


Photo

An almost deserted Ilyich Iron and Steel plant in Mariupol on Thursday. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times



MARIUPOL, Ukraine — Thousands of steelworkers fanned out on Thursday through the city of Mariupol, establishing control over the streets and banishing the pro-Kremlin militants who until recently had seemed to be consolidating their grip on power, dealing a setback to Russia and possibly reversing the momentum in eastern Ukraine.
By late Thursday, miners and steelworkers had deployed in at least five cities, including the regional capital, Donetsk. They had not, however, become the dominant force there that they were in Mariupol, the region’s second-largest city and the site last week of a bloody confrontation between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian militants.


While it was still far too early to say the tide had turned in eastern Ukraine, the day’s events were a blow to separatists who recently seized control here and in a dozen or so other cities and who held a referendum on independence on Sunday. Backed by the Russian propaganda machine and by 40,000 Russian troops just over the border, their grip on power seemed to be tightening every day.
Photo

The company produces five million tons of slab steel a year. Many of its employees have joined patrols. Credit Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times But polls had indicated that a strong majority of eastern Ukrainians supported unity, though few were prepared to say so publicly in the face of armed pro-Russian militants. When President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia withdrew support for the separatists last week, calling for a delay in the referendum and for dialogue on Ukraine’s future, the political winds shifted, providing an opening that the country’s canny oligarchs could exploit.
The workers who took to the streets on Thursday were among the hundreds of thousands in the east who are employed in metals and mining by Ukraine’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov, who only recently went beyond paying lip service to Ukrainian unity and on Wednesday issued a statement rejecting separatism.
Critics say Mr. Akhmetov could have prevented much of the bloodshed in the east if he had taken a strong stance sooner. But his lieutenants say he decided to confront the separatists out of a deep belief that independence, or even quasi-autonomy, would be disastrous for eastern Ukraine. Mr. Akhmetov urged his employees, whose jobs were at risk, to take over the city.
The workers, who were wearing only their protective clothing and hard hats, said they were “outside politics” and were just trying to establish order. Faced with waves of steelworkers joined by the police, the pro-Russian protesters melted away, along with signs of the self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic and its representatives. Backhoes and dump trucks from the steelworkers’ factory dismantled the barricades that separatists had erected.
Metinvest and DTEK, the metals and mining subsidiaries of Mr. Akhmetov’s company, System Capital Management, together employ 280,000 people in eastern Ukraine, forming an important and possibly decisive force in the region. They have a history of political activism stretching back to miner strikes that helped bring down the Soviet Union. In this conflict, they had not previously signaled their allegiance to one side or the other.
It remains possible that the separatists could regroup and challenge the industrial workers, though few were to be found in and around Mariupol on Thursday, even in the public administration building they had been occupying.
“We have to bring order to the city,” Aleksei Gorlov, a steelworker, said of his motivation for joining one of the unpaid and voluntary patrols that were organized at Ilyich Iron and Steel Works. Groups of about six steelworkers accompanied two police officers on the patrols.
“People organize themselves,” he said. “In times of troubles, that is how it works.”
Workers from another mill, Azovstal Iron and Steel Works, took one side of the city, while the Ilyich factory took the other. Both groups were trying to persuade longshoremen to patrol the port, Mr. Gorlov said.
The two steel mills fly Ukrainian flags outside their headquarters, though like so much else in Ukraine, the lines of loyalty are muddled. At least a portion of the police in the city mutinied last Friday, leading to a shootout with the Ukrainian National Guard that killed at least seven people.
The chief executive of Ilyich Steel Works, Yuri Zinchenko, is leading the steelworker patrols in the city. He said the company had remained on the sidelines as long as possible, while tacitly supporting unity with Ukraine by conveying to workers that a separatist victory would close export markets in Europe, devastating the factory and the town.
Though the workers had differing views of the new government in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, on the whole they supported the patrols to restore order, employees and managers said. “Everybody can have their own opinion, but not at work,” Sergei Istratov, a shift boss at the factory, said. “At work, you have to do what the factory demands.”
Yuri Ryzhenkov, the chief executive of Metinvest, which is ranked among the top five steel producers globally, said managers had been conveying to workers: “The most important thing you have is the steel mill. If you have the steel mill, you have jobs, salaries and stability for your families.”
Once patrols began, he said, representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic visited the Ilyich factory, demanding to know what was happening. “They were not very friendly at first,” Mr. Ryzhenkov said. But the patrols were welcomed in town, he said, and militants had little option but to acquiesce, at least in Mariupol.
“The Donetsk People’s Republic understands if they attack unarmed local people, they will lose all support here,” he said.
The effort is more than ad hoc. The coal and steel workers will soon have uniforms for the street patrols, Metinvest executives said, with patches identifying them as members of the “Volunteer People’s Patrol.”

If the patrols are successful, they said, they will try the tactic in most major cities in the Donetsk region, though not in Slovyansk, a stronghold of pro-Russian militants where Metinvest and DTEK have no factories or mines.
Ilyich Iron and Steel, a grimy scene of mid-20th-century industrial sprawl, is one of Ukraine’s most important factories, producing five million tons of slab steel a year. About 50,000 people work in the steel industry in Mariupol, a city of 460,000. So far, 18,000 steelworkers have signed up for the patrols, Metinvest executives say.
“There’s no family in Mariupol that’s not connected to the steel industry,” Mr. Zinchenko said in an interview at his desk, which was decorated with a miniature Ukrainian flag. He said he had negotiated a truce with local representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic, but not with the group’s leaders.
Mr. Akhmetov’s statement detailed the daunting problems facing the regional economy — and his assets — if the Donetsk People’s Republic were to win its struggle with Kiev.
“Nobody in the world will recognize it,” he said in a videotaped statement. “The structure of our economy is coal, industry, metallurgy, energy, machine works, chemicals and agriculture, and all the enterprises tied to these sectors. We will come under huge sanctions, we will not sell our products, cannot produce. This means the stopping of factories, this means unemployment, this means poverty.”
Russia itself exports steel, so it has never been a significant market for the output of the Donetsk region.
Residents welcomed the steelworker patrols for bringing an end to chaos and insecurity. They said masked men had robbed four grocery stores, a shop selling hunting rifles and a jewelry store, and that they had burned down a bank.
The crowds of pro-Russian protesters who had jeered and cursed Ukrainian soldiers last week were nowhere to be seen. On the city’s central square Thursday afternoon, a pro-Russian rally drew a few dozen protesters, who were watched over by a group of steelworkers.
The government in Kiev rebutted reports that the police chief had been found hanging and dead in the town. He had indeed been kidnapped by gunmen and was severely beaten, the Interior Ministry said, but he was eventually rescued.
“There are a lot of idiots with guns in my city,” said Aleksey Rybinsev, 38, a computer programmer who added he welcomed the new patrols, though he feared they might develop into another informal militia group. “I haven’t seen a policeman all day. I didn’t see them, and I didn’t want to see them.”

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/wo...pgtype=article

[Rusty Shackleford]

http://borotba.org/protiv_konservati...espublike.html

"Turning against the conservative People's Republic in Donetsk"

Statement of Association "Borotba"

According to published in the press the Draft Constitution of the People's Republic of Donetsk, in the fundamental law of the new state are invited to rule on the state religion - Orthodox Moscow Patriarchate.

Association "Borotba" strongly protests against the state religion in the Republic, created by the people. We insist on the inclusion in the Constitution of DNR rules on freedom of conscience and religion and the separation of church and state and the school from the church. This was the outcome of democratic norms struggle many generations of our ancestors against the reactionary clerical regime and was enshrined in the laws of the Republic of Donetsk-Krivoy Rog, which considers itself the successor of the DNI, and the Constitutions of the Ukrainian SSR, USSR and the RSFSR.

We believe that the state created by the people, should not go on about the clerical elements and impose mandatory public religion.

Also troubling to the draft Constitution of the provision for equality of all forms of ownership, and private comes first in their listing. Do not follow from the experience of our struggle, what large private property (oligarchy) led the country to disaster and decay? Is not it the largest private owners have paid and organized neo-Nazi gangs and other groups, which are terrorizing the South East?

In our view, the priority in the new states should be under state ownership and national workers' control. Only the rule of the national wealth in the economy will prevent the parasitic oligarchy.

Donetsk's Republic should really become a social state. Otherwise it will be only the second edition of Ukraine, as we have known it since 1991, only the replacement of Ukrainian nationalism - Russian. Association "Borotba" urges DNR does not go on about the conservative-clerical forces that support minority. This - the path to a dead end path to defeat.

[Sasha]

^ credit where credits due.

[DDR]

So, the PRD has decided to nationalise the industries of Akhmetov because he refuses to pay the "revolutionary tax" as well as he has threaten the steel workers with firing them if they refuse to be his stormtroopers against the PRD.

http://lifenews.ru/news/133522

http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/42982

Also seems that a Russia Today journalist has been taken into custody by Kiev.

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1199878