How to you guys feel about Bashar Al-Assad?

[VictorSola]

I don't know if this belongs in the opposing ideologies forum, but I am not a communist or generally a leftist or anything so I figured I'd just ask this here. How do you guys feel about Bashar Al-Assad and the whole situation in Syria?

[Tim Cornelis]

Assad is a butcher, mass murderer, oppresser, and heads a state based on Arab nationalism and Alewite favouratism, excluding, especially, Sunnis and Kurds, and now, since 2011, a state that indiscriminately targets people based on their approximate location of opposition strongholds or public gatherings of people, using unprecise bombings and, at least once, chemical weapons. He should be hung, uncontroversially.

There's no prospect of a socialist revolution in Syria, so an independent working class organisation ought to rally behind the demand of a functional liberal democracy as minimum demand. Neither side offers this, with the exception of the Kurdish National Council — and the Wahhabist scum have brought the Dark Ages to parts of Syria.

[VictorSola]

I'm actually Syrian and have family in Syria though and I am told that Assad is a good leader. Syria is one of the last few Secular countries in the Middle East and the rebel opposition are generally extremist Muslims to want to get rid of Assad and install a Muslim fundamentalist government that will truly oppress the people. I support Assad because he is the lesser evil, so i disagree with your post entirely since most of the news I hear about Assad is not from the biased Western media but from actual word of mouth from family I have in the Middle East.

[VictorSola]

I would also like to urge you to read this rtdotcom/op-edge/syria-world-hate-message-604/

Assad is a good leader. A very large majority of the Syrian people support him, so that has to tell you something.

[Dialectical Wizard]

I don't know if this belongs in the opposing ideologies forum, but I am not a communist or generally a leftist or anything so I figured I'd just ask this here. How do you guys feel about Bashar Al-Assad and the whole situation in Syria?

He’s a vile despot, the Syrian civil war is a pseudo struggle. It clearly lacks a real radical-emancipatory opposition. It is basically a religious civil war between Islamic sects…

[tachosomoza]

Fuck Al-Assad. The sad part is that I see people supporting him just because he's anti-American and is buddies with Putin.

[motion denied]

Western backed 'rebels' are no better either.

[consuming negativity]

Yeah, as people above me have said, we don't really have a horse in this race other than there being less people dying for what will inevitably be shit.

[Tim Cornelis]

Western backed 'rebels' are no better either.

Why do you put rebels between 'quotation marks'? Are rebels only rebels when they align with you politically? (No True Scotsman Fallacy).

[rebel] a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or ruler. How are they not rebels?

[Ember Catching]

There's no prospect of a socialist revolution in Syria, so an independent working class organisation ought to rally behind the demand of a functional liberal democracy as minimum demand. Neither side offers this, with the exception of the Kurdish National Council — and the Wahhabist scum have brought the Dark Ages to parts of Syria.

Incredible. Speaking totally hypothetically, you imagine an independent working-class organization, naturally (that is to say, as a necessary result of it being a working-class organization independent of all other political and military forces) headed by communists, and apparently powerful enough to seriously pose demands, yet you reduce its minimum demand to "functional liberal democracy"? At a time when most workers in the imperialist metropoles themselves have already begun to see through such a system? How else do you think the prospects for proletarian revolution are measured if not precisely by the strength of an organization of the type you imagine?

Bordiga (PBUH) said it'd be like this, but I never thought the democratism would be so unashamed.

[Queen Mab]

There's no prospect of a socialist revolution in Syria, so an independent working class organisation ought to rally behind the demand of a functional liberal democracy as minimum demand.

I agree with the rest of your post....but what?

[motion denied]

Why do you put rebels between 'quotation marks'? Are rebels only rebels when they align with you politically? (No True Scotsman Fallacy).

[rebel] a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or ruler. How are they not rebels?

Mercenaries are not rebels. But it all may boil down to semantics.

I'm not saying all opposition is composed by mercenaries, however.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

A very large majority of the Syrian people support him, so that has to tell you something.

Thatcher was supported by a majority of British people. Obama has a majority. They could/can still get fucked for all I care. Just because some bourgeois politician has a majority at some period in time by whatever means nothing. We're communists, we look at what's in the interest of our class and Assad is certainly not. Whether or not a majority is, seemingly, unaware of that does not change that.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Bordiga (PBUH)

that's lame

[VictorSola]

Assad also banned GMO seeds for the health of his people

[VictorSola]

Thatcher was supported by a majority of British people. Obama has a majority. They could/can still get fucked for all I care. Just because some bourgeois politician has a majority at some period in time by whatever means nothing. We're communists, we look at what's in the interest of our class and Assad is certainly not. Whether or not a majority is, seemingly, unaware of that does not change that.

So wait, you only look for what is in the best interest of a small minority of people in Syria? That is pretty selfish. 70% of Syrians support Assad and feel that he is a good leader (rightfully so). I think you have been severely misinformed about Assad and his leadership. Even the communist party of Chile supports Assad.

[Queen Mab]

So wait, you only look for what is in the best interest of a small minority of people in Syria?

We support the working class, whatever % of Syria that is. Probably a majority.

Even the communist party of Chile supports Assad.

The Communist Party of Chile supports Michelle Bachelet.

[Tim Cornelis]

Incredible. Speaking totally hypothetically, you imagine an independent working-class organization, naturally (that is to say, as a necessary result of it being a working-class organization independent of all other political and military forces) headed by communists, and apparently powerful enough to seriously pose demands,

Nope. Rally behind existing demands. I suppose literally saying that is kind of confusing.

Then all this falls apart:

yet you reduce its minimum demand to "functional liberal democracy"? At a time when most workers in the imperialist metropoles themselves have already begun to see through such a system? How else do you think the prospects for proletarian revolution are measured if not precisely by the strength of an organization of the type you imagine?

Bordiga (PBUH) said it'd be like this, but I never thought the democratism would be so unashamed.

Also, "At a time when most workers in the imperialist metropoles themselves have already begun to see through such a system?"

What planet are you from?

[VictorSola]

We support the working class, whatever % of Syria that is. Probably a majority.



The Communist Party of Chile supports Michelle Bachelet.

But plenty of the working class in Syria support Assad. They know what is best for themselves. Why do you feel the need to impose your views onto other people?

[Tim Cornelis]

Mercenaries are not rebels. But it all may boil down to semantics.

I'm not saying all opposition is composed by mercenaries, however.

I believe none are, and I have seen no evidence to suggest there are mercenaries involved. Most, I imagine, sincerely believe in the aims of the rebel group they are a member of. That Wahahbist and Salafist rebels are financially backed by oil sheiks from GCC countries does not make them mercenaries.