Not to insult, but what the fuck is wrong with you. Since when do innocent people deserve to die because of their political ruler's past and current actions.
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Do you think the western world deserves terrorists attacks and disasters?
Do you think that America deserved 9/11 and all these school shootings? Do you think other western/developed countries (including Japan) deserves terrorist attacks or disasters?
I personally think America deserved 9/11 and all these school shootings because of their war crimes and imperialism (Sanctions on Iraq, Vietnam War, Secret bombings of Cambodia and Laos, Indian Removal, Manifest destiny(American Lebensraum), Philippine-American War, Bombings of Afghanistan and Pakistan all the fucking time, Bombings of Latin American countries, etc). I hope America gets struck with crippling sanctions as well or suffers a lot worse than their victims for getting away with their war crimes(I'm American by the way).
Israel deserves it's bombings for mistreating Palestinians and Turkey deserves it's terrorist attacks for not forgiving the Armenians, Pontic Greeks, and Assyrians in the Ottoman genocide of them. Britain deserves the terrorist attacks for mistreating the Irish badly and collaborating with the American Imperialists (I don't know if Britain forgave the Irish yet, but I know they have embassies in each others countries and they are on good relations with each other). Japan deserves it's earthquake and radiation leak for it's war crimes they never forgave. We need to bring these real terrorists to justice. The real terrorists are the corporations and the government.
Fuck All Countries, Fuck Nationalism and Capitalism! Brotherhood for all humans!
Not to insult, but what the fuck is wrong with you. Since when do innocent people deserve to die because of their political ruler's past and current actions.
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Wow seriously? Fuck that, the workers in the twin towers and the students in schools aren't the ones who make decisions to go imperialize other countries, it's the politicians of the ruling class. If you really think that the young children at Sandy Hook elementary school deserved to be shot for living in the wrong country then you're a disgusting human being.
Except for humans living under imperialist governments amirite?
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No civilians deserve to be killed but with the type of stuff our states do creates fertile ground for murderous maniacs to have an excuse.
So, no. Attacks on the state itself, yes, but on the people absolutely not.
I don't think anyone should die, but the governments should suffer for their past war crimes. I'm currently having a huge rage right now.
Yes, the government should, not the people. Which is why people had a problem with you saying 9/11 was deserved.
Really? Because
Sure sounds like it to me. These events don't punish the ruling class, the kill innocent people. So when you say these events are "deserved", you're not saying anything about the bourgeois rulers who go relatively unaffected by these things, you're saying that civilians (even young children in some cases) deserve to die.
FKA Chomsssssssky, Skwisgaar, The Employer Destroyer, skybutton
Yeah let just more civilians and innocent people die, all this suffering and pointless deaths already happening every day is just not enough.
What kind of idiot actually thinks of nations as continuous bodies with unified minds and responsibility for the actions of their bourgeois leaders? Who believes in retributive "justice" like this?
Oh, you do evidently. No child deserves to be shot, as I think other posters will hopefully say.
Yeah, you realize that sanctions usually affect the lowest classes, right? Such as refugees from Iraq, Vietnam, Cambodia and Lao that are currently citizens in the U.S.? Or Filipino-Americans and American Indians? These people would be impacted by this stupid revenge mentality more than the actual imperialists, who are either dead or have escape hatches most people don't.
Alright, I am going to assume that JudasMaiden is reaching for the argument that said attacks had logical causes and effects. The US as well as the other mentioned imperial powers have indeed cause untold horrors and destruction on the vast majority of the world. Said actions logically would lead to a response from said oppressed majority which has taken the form of terrorist attacks.
Mind you this is a gross simplification but I am going to assume that is what Judas meant.
This does not though condone the actions of said imperialist powers nor the reaction of terrorist attacks.
Not trying to grill you but: How did imperialism cause school shootings? And since when did "cause" mean "deserve"?
This was an embarrassing thread to make, I just had a huge furious rant on American, European, and Japanese Imperialism. No human deserves to die any sort of violent death, even those who support imperialist governments like U.S.A, U.K, Japan, and France. I make my apologies to all. I used "Karma" on this thread. We should hunt down the real imperialists/terrorists who are alive today and not say "The Japanese men, women, and children deserved the earthquake due to the Japanese government's war crimes in WW2", "The American men, women, and children deserved 9/11 for the American government's imperialist war crimes spanning 200 years" or "The British men, women, and children deserved their terrorist attacks due to the British/English government badly mistreating/exploiting the Irish for hundreds of years and collaborating with other imperialists such as Americans or the French".
Please close this thread.
I certainly didn't mean to say that civilians living in an imperialist country should suffer due to their government's past imperialist crimes. I was so fucking enraged, I think I would see a Bob Ross painting video now.
Last edited by JudasMaiden; 8th February 2014 at 23:35.
On one hand, we have better things to do than to worry about imperialist generals, soldiers, CEOs, State Department analysts, etc., killed in terrorist attacks. On the other hand, saying that kids who died in the Sandy Hook shooting deserved to die because of the actions of the American bourgeoisie is precisely the imperialist mindset that excuses the starvation of Iraqi children.
Also, unless you are the sort of person who thinks that imperialism can be fought on a purely military basis, followed by an occupation of America by persyns of color and placing the Amerikkkan labor aristocracy into reeducation camps, it is precisely the American proletariat who will overthrow imperialist capitalism in America.
Last, but not least, to the communist, the enemy is the bourgeoisie, not "the corporations" - that reeks of liberalism.
I deliberately did not mention the school shootings because they do not work in the scenario I played out.
Also "since when did "cause" mean "deserve"?" It doesn't, I am not supporting Judas's stance it was my attempt (hope), that he was just pissed off and said some really stupid shit and could of reasoned himself better.
But if he in fact meant what he said then I stand by my first response.
Originally Posted by Slavic
These attacks are an inevitable outcome of imperialism and war. Sometimes when you shoot at people...they shoot back. I am at a loss why you call them terrorists when you think their actions are justified and deserved. Personally I think these acts are not terrorism but acts of war. But whatever.
I am also at a loss how you connect high school shootings with imperialism. These however are an inevitable outcome of rampant consumerism, social developments and alienation imo.
The earthquakes in Japan are not a reaction to anything the country has done. They are a force of nature and not some divine retribution...but...well...acts of nature. The structural integrity of Fukushima however is directly related to corporate greed the consequences of which are now carried by the Japanese population which has been lied to, misled and downright coerced to deal with them. The spill is a global ecological and environmental disaster which affects all of us. I am not sure how this is deserved.
This sentence has me stumped:
As in: wtf did I just read?
Are you seriously talking about Assyrians? You know...the ones that ended being a kingdom of any note in 650 BC??
I am also not sure where all the use of the word forgiveness comes from...and how it applies and what you mean,
Sanctions will not happen. America is the most influential and most powerful nation at this moment and that usually means there will be no trials, no sanctions and perhaps only some scolding form the sidelines for their actions.
So don't count on these.
Britain is an imperialist entity all by itself and doesn't need America.
Unfortunately you forget people are not "their" nations. A lot of people died. It is no more tragic for a wedding to get bombed in Iraq than for somebody to be blown up in a bus or have a plane drop on their heads or develop cancer...because bourgeoisie entities go to war or want to up their profit margins.
Well...maybe you could tell us why you were enraged by that and what you were trying to say now that you have calmed down a bit.
How on Earth are school shootings connected to "consumerism"? It seems people will blame "consumerism" (a term that usually denotes merely that the speaker sneers at the things being consumed and the number other people consume them in) everything from war to penile disfunction.
Yes, he's seriously speaking about Assyrians, an Aramaic-speaking national group in Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq.Originally Posted by PhoenixAsh
I concur with the rest of your post, but to the bolded:
Shit, if FOX News saw the opening post, that would be an embarrassment to all of us.
There are still Assyrians in Turkey though not very many nowadays. There are probably about a million of them in Syria. The most famous Assyrian who you have probably heard of is Andre Aggasi, the tennis player.
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