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Note;right sector got 0.9% of the votes in the elections, I don't know wheter svoboda fielded a candidate and what their result was but considering the top 2 candidates got 54 and 36% it can't have been much.
So electoraly the fash role seems to have been played out for now.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Good to know -- (thanks).
Would you have any sense of what U.S. and/or world public opinion is regarding all of this, specifically, besides being generally anti-war (since Iraq) -- ? It would seem, considering these election results, that the U.S./NATO interventionism in Ukraine, and its backing of the fascists, can't be playing well in the minds of the average person, but there's been a deafening silence as far as what actual public sentiment is....
Tucson teach-in on U.S./NATO intervention in Ukraine
By Jafe Arnoldski
Tucson, AZ - Tucson activists organized a presentation and discussion on the crisis in Ukraine, May 23. The teach-in was part of the nationwide emergency action campaign, initiated by the United National Antiwar Coalition, against U.S. intervention in Ukraine.
The event, attended by 20 anti-war activists and Tucsonans eager to learn about the ominous developments in Ukraine, featured speakers from the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Alliance for Global Justice, and Workers World Party. The presentations covered the history and dynamics leading up to the Maidan protests, the U.S. and NATO-backed fascist coup in February, the current anti-fascist resistance across the country and the role of U.S. imperialism and the corporate media.
Paul Teitelbaum with Workers World Party and an organizer of the panel explained, “People will never be told the truth of the situation by the bourgeois media. So it's important to gather and learn about the role of U.S. imperialism in creating the crisis in Ukraine and the relationship between the imperialists and the fascists. Combating media lies and clarifying the political character of the events will help us build the strong anti-imperialist, anti-war movement that we need.”
After the presentations, a lively question and answer discussion shed further light on the urgent need to oppose the U.S. efforts that are backing fascists in Ukraine and the malicious expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe. Speakers and participants also drew connections between U.S. meddling in Ukraine, Belarus and Venezuela.
In front of a flag of the newly established Donetsk People’s Republic in Eastern Ukraine, activists demanded “U.S. hands off Ukraine,” and “Victory to the anti-fascist resistance,” and vowed to uphold solidarity with the people of Ukraine in opposing the U.S.-backed Kiev junta.
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La dialectique, peut-elle casser des briques?
You can't understand us Slavs. In my country bigest party is nationalist conservativ party, and around 50% are hard core nationalist and fascist sympathizers. What do you think they think would best represent their interests? I dont have ilusion about Putin, he is also convert, as lot of our "leaders" and he must push someones interests to prevale, but at least he kept some sovereignty to those people. Irony with our "leaders" is, that former prime minister (who is now in jail for coruption) has removed our fascist monuments prior to the joining EU and Ukrainians have started to erect theirs.
I am actually a Slav and let me tell you that after 91' there was never again a major leftist party, that advocated minority rights in eastern countries. The ex-communist governments have been nationalist-conservative for the last 20 years. This isn't just a recent phenomena, it has been always like this. Putin however instrumentalizes this accusation of fascism to justify his intervention in the Ukraine. The thing is, Ukraine is not fascist and those 2 little "fascist" parties are loosing more and more support (like they ever had any major support). Ukraine's only fascist in the wet dreams of some anti-imps.
God I hate this romanticism for pseudo-anti-imperialist forces like Russia.
La dialectique, peut-elle casser des briques?
The situations aren't exactly comparable, neither are the European parties mentioned comparable to Svoboda.
Looks some Ukrainian nationalists *****ing about delaying of jointment with "nations of masters". They probably want some immediate military asistance in order to crush inferior Russians and get control over those mines.
President-elect of Ukraine Petr Poroshenko has asked the EU leaders to postpone the signing of the Association Agreement, Why no one laments the betrayal of "European choice'? It is exactly the same declaration presidet Yanukovych did last November which triggered ongoing crisis in Ukraine.
I respect your opinion, but by thet there are no fascist among Slavs, and Russia is equal imperialist as western countries. I am slightly in doubt with that. I mean BIAZED claimed fascists are isignificant in Slavic nations, and Russia is equali imperialistic as Western countries, which to me being Slav sounds like oximoron. Slavs could have such aspirations only on the wing of some real imperialists from the west. This here is not that case. It's not that they trying to claim something from Poles.
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I don't really understand what you're saying.
What a bullshit chart.
Whats bullshit about it except that the Ukrainian result was obviously from the presidential elections the week before the EU one?
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
thanks for the nice oneliner, could you please elaborate why you think this chart is bullshit?
La dialectique, peut-elle casser des briques?
Oh it's a tool of the bad western imperialist bourgeoise to keep us sheeple quiet!
La dialectique, peut-elle casser des briques?
Try using Google translate like meWhat I meant, BIAZED claimed fascists are isignificant in Slavic nations, and Russia is equali imperialistic as Western countries, which to me being Slav sounds like oximoron. Slavs could have such aspirations only on the wing of some real imperialists from the west. This here is not that case. It's not that they trying to claim something from Poles.
Ukraine’s phony elections make billionaire new president. Turmoil spreads
Ukraine’s phony elections make billionaire new president. Turmoil spreads
By J. Arnoldski
Over the past two weeks, the U.S. and NATO-backed junta in Kiev has persistently pushed Ukraine further down the path of civil war. Regime-orchestrated violence against the anti-fascist resistance is escalating, with a crackdown on both independent militias and civilians in the east.
The ongoing turmoil is part of the aftermath of the Ukrainian presidential elections on May 25. The U.S.-backed coup makers held elections in an attempt to legitimize their fascistic rule and crusade against the independent forces in Eastern Ukraine. While billionaire oligarch Petro Poroshenko won with over 50% of the vote, multiple independent and foreign observers are pointing to an extremely low turnout and election process violations. Right Sector thugs ‘guarded’ polling booths in some areas, while in other places citizens eventually turned to throwing trash in polling boxes rather than cast ballots for an illegitimate regime.
The military operation against eastern Ukraine’s 7 million people was resumed within hours of the election, and some of the worst fighting yet has gripped recently independent Donetsk.
On May 26, just after the results of the election, Kiev’s ground and air forces launched a new assault to capture Donetsk’s international airport, a crucial airport of the region, and penetrate further into the city. Nearly 100 casualties of self-defense fighters and civilians were reported within 24 hours. Many died when Kiev forces opened fire on ambulances transporting the injured to hospitals. Although Kiev declared on Tuesday that self-defense forces had been routed, Donetsk self-defense forces announced on May 28 that the airport and downtown area were retaken. The contention continues, with a Kiev helicopter shot down on the morning of May 29, killing a general.
Donetsk is not alone in being under intensified siege and assault since its successful referendum on independence on May 12. The Ukrainian military has besieged Slavyansk and shelled civilian buildings, including hospitals and schools, including a kindergarten, in an effort to break the resolve of the resistance. Heavy gunfire has also plagued Lugansk.
As Kiev continues its campaign of violence, Kiev’s oligarchs are unsuccessfully ordering workers in the east to refuse to cooperate with the new People’s Republic government. On May 28, however, in an act of courageous defiance, nearly 3000 miners of the Donbas region marched in Donetsk and demanded an end to Kiev’s military operation and the removal of its forces from the area. Miners’ shouts of “Fascism won’t pass!” and “Donbas will not forgive!” challenged the endless noise of gunfire and Kiev’s military airplanes overhead. More miners across Donetsk are joining the protests, with anti-oligarch, anti-fascist revolutionary ideas spreading amongst the people.
The resistance of Donetsk and the east is heroically persevering amidst artillery shells bursting in civilian areas and air force and helicopter attacks on citizen soldiers. With Kiev’s new billionaire president violently tormenting civilians, Putin’s recognition of the Ukrainian presidential election, the announcement of an initiative for reconciliation, and the de facto abandonment of the People’s Republics appeal to join Russia, the people of the East are up against tremendous odds.
Nonetheless, the people’s resistance is refusing to kneel down before the billionaire oligarchs and fascist rulers of Ukraine. On May 24, representatives of the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as other struggling cities, met to establish the state of New Russia and unite resistance territories into a sovereign state with a coordinated military. The fightback of the people of Eastern Ukraine is equally a beacon of light in the struggle against Kiev. The eastern bastions of anti-fascism need progressives’ solidarity more than ever. With the arrival of volunteers to the self-defense forces of Donetsk from Russia and Chechnya and the establishment of New Russia, internationalism must be on the agenda of anti-fascists around the world.
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Because it's misleading and by no means shows the state of Ukrainian nationalism.
After all, Party of Regions got 3%. Even factoring in the east's low turnout, I don't really trust this election. Especially since Poroshenko's election unleashed renewed assaults on Eastern Ukrainian heroes and newly martyred, and he has since confirmed his opposition to both federalism and the 'terrorists'.
The fact you posted it only suggests you don't have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Especially since these Euro 'far right' parties are hardly of equivalence to Svoboda and Right Sector. Only the Jobbiks really are.
This chart was probably made by a butthurt Ukrainian annoyed at how the euro far-right has universally condemned them and want to show how more 'moderate' Ukraine actually is (you know, after the Odessa massacre). It's pretty pathetic.
P.S. I'm a slav too, I guess I'm just a little more well-read on the matter (and maybe not obsessed with condemning 'anti-imperialists'). FYI, Svoboda has received double digit numbers in West Ukraine in other elections, and holds 38 seats in the rada, a significant force. They also hold a number of cabinet positions in the interim government, including National Security Chief Andriy Parubiy who organized the national guard, and the Maidan self-defense units inside it. Btw, with those seats Svoboda's larger than the KPU and 1/3 of the size of Ukraine's formerly strongest party, the Party of Regions.
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Newly installed President Poroshenko pledges to militarise Ukraine and crush rebellion in the east
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014.../poro-j09.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/...ine-and-truth/
the US mounted one of its “colour” coups against the government in Ukraine, exploiting genuine protests against corruption. Biden came to Kiev, as did CIA Director John Brennan. The shock troops of their putsch were Ukrainian fascists.
For the first time since 1945, a neo-Nazi, openly anti-Semitic party controls key areas of state power in a European capital. No Western European leader has condemned this revival of fascism. Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok has called for a purge of the “Moscow-Jewish mafia” and “other scum”, including gays, feminists and those on the political left.
In Orwellian fashion, this has been inverted in the west to the “Russian threat”. Hillary Clinton likened Putin to Hitler. Without irony, right-wing German commentators said as much. In the media, the Ukrainian neo-Nazis are sanitised as “nationalists” or “ultra nationalists”.
On 2 May, in Odessa, 41 ethnic Russians were burned alive. The Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh hailed the massacre as “another bright day in our national history”. In the American and British media, this was reported as a “murky tragedy” resulting from “clashes” between “nationalists” (neo-Nazis) and “separatists” (people collecting signatures for a referendum on a federal Ukraine). The New York Times buried it, having dismissed as Russian propaganda warnings about the fascist and anti-Semitic policies of Washington’s new clients. The Wall Street Journal damned the victims – “Deadly Ukraine Fire Likely Sparked by Rebels, Government Says”. Obama congratulated the junta for its “restraint”.
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