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    South Sudan clashes kill 400-500

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    BBC News - Gunfire continues in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEje112wMI


    Kerry says South Sudan must prevent escalation of tensions

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qY2IwvF2U8
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    Unfortunately, these rebels do not wish to usher in a socialist revolution but a typical African-style regime change triggered by tribal loyalties that have emerged in the government's bureaucracy.
    "Without general elections, without freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, without the free battle of opinions... bureaucracy rises as the only deciding factor." - Rosa Luxemburg

    "The capitalist class is represented by the Republican, Democratic, Populist and Prohibition parties, all of which stand for private ownership of the means of production..." - Eugene Victor "Gene" Debs

    "...a democratic, national government that is revolutionary and popular. That is how socialism begins, not with decrees." - Salvador Allende Gossens
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    Unfortunately, these rebels do not wish to usher in a socialist revolution but a typical African-style regime change triggered by tribal loyalties that have emerged in the government's bureaucracy.
    Did they claim to be socialist to begin with though? I don't recall the SPLM making claims of being anything but a nationalist group.
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    Did they claim to be socialist to begin with though? I don't recall the SPLM making claims of being anything but a nationalist group.
    The SPLM nor the SPLA wished to usher in a socialist revolution, despite their Maoist-sounding nomenclature, but a bourgeois revolution replacing the North Sudanese bourgeoisie with a native bourgeoisie. The enthusiasm with which the West received their independence aptly shows their true colors.
    "Without general elections, without freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, without the free battle of opinions... bureaucracy rises as the only deciding factor." - Rosa Luxemburg

    "The capitalist class is represented by the Republican, Democratic, Populist and Prohibition parties, all of which stand for private ownership of the means of production..." - Eugene Victor "Gene" Debs

    "...a democratic, national government that is revolutionary and popular. That is how socialism begins, not with decrees." - Salvador Allende Gossens
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    The SPLM nor the SPLA wished to usher in a socialist revolution, despite their Maoist-sounding nomenclature, but a bourgeois revolution replacing the North Sudanese bourgeoisie with a native bourgeoisie. The enthusiasm with which the West received their independence aptly shows their true colors.
    I know, but I'm saying why point that out if they never declared themselves to be socialist? I believe at some point in their foundation in the 80s they paid lipservice to some progressive ideals but it wasn't something they particularly took seriously, much less after it became irrelevant from the 90s an onwards.

    I don't really think anyone considered them to be anything else. I think sympathy for South Sudan from some of the left originated more from concern over killings by the Sudanese government there and in Darfur than some ideological similarity.

    For what it is worth, back when their independence was declared after the referendum, I think everyone was pretty much waiting to see when this would happen.
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    I know, but I'm saying why point that out if they never declared themselves to be socialist? I believe at some point in their foundation in the 80s they paid lipservice to some progressive ideals but it wasn't something they particularly took seriously, much less after it became irrelevant from the 90s an onwards.

    I don't really think anyone considered them to be anything else. I think sympathy for South Sudan from some of the left originated more from concern over killings by the Sudanese government there and in Darfur than some ideological similarity.

    For what it is worth, back when their independence was declared after the referendum, I think everyone was pretty much waiting to see when this would happen.
    Yes, I agree with your statement. In the meantime, it has been difficult for me to actually determine the ideology of the SPLM as their Wikipedia page describes their ideology as "New Sudan" and South Sudanese nationalism which leads me to suggest that they are right-wing bourgeois no doubt. The left must always be careful in supporting national liberation, self-determination movements as "nationalism" and "self-determination" were reactionary concepts in their inception and have been used by reactionaries ever since although not exclusively.
    "Without general elections, without freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, without the free battle of opinions... bureaucracy rises as the only deciding factor." - Rosa Luxemburg

    "The capitalist class is represented by the Republican, Democratic, Populist and Prohibition parties, all of which stand for private ownership of the means of production..." - Eugene Victor "Gene" Debs

    "...a democratic, national government that is revolutionary and popular. That is how socialism begins, not with decrees." - Salvador Allende Gossens
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    it has been difficult for me to actually determine the ideology of the SPLM as their Wikipedia page
    I would suggest that you're going about this in completely the wrong way...
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    I would suggest that you're going about this in completely the wrong way...
    Yes, my bad. All sides on this conflict are reactionary and the opposing ideologies aren't worth discussing because neither directly fulfills the needs of South Sudan's workers nor will cause any socialist revolution in South Sudan for the near future.
    "Without general elections, without freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, without the free battle of opinions... bureaucracy rises as the only deciding factor." - Rosa Luxemburg

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    BBC News - 'Atmosphere of fear' in South Sudan town of Bor, says UN

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVUjAc3Y7s0


    BBC News - South Sudan conflict - 'spreading around the country'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXrfP7ont3g


    Hundreds of CAR Seleka supporters protest French involvement

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucAQSn_VpX4


    U.N. to investigate crimes against humanity in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GItY9X-HfD0


    US Moves Troops Toward S Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRS1t1SPxlQ


    US troops deploy to South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lByTfBG6vfE


    Food reaches South Sudan civilians

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtkPjbIrUo


    Plan approved to double peacekeeping force in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5HSbFk-BRQ


    South Sudan - U.N. to send more troops as thousands flee fighting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNif29PLVmg


    UN Ambassador Power - 'Relentless' diplomacy in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJUsaERvY4


    UN boosts peacekeepers in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJqAKHIWyro


    UN Security Council votes to increase efforts in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BybUU9ozzvg


    African leaders to hold crisis talks over S. Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1i4w40I7s


    Hospital resources growing scarce in South Sudan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IDEx-hevyQ
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    BBC News - Convoy under attack in South Sudan battle

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7G258AOu8s


    A Desperate River Crossing - South Sudan News

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWIv6lB1bo
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    Just think, why kill people in one country when you can split in half and kill them in two?
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    U.N. appeals for nearly $100 million for displaced persons in South Sudan, CAR

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a09OH97HoDE


    BBC News - Convoy under attack in South Sudan battle

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    BBC News - African farming could be 'big business', says World Bank

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    UN says South Sudan violence horrific

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    Government retakes South Sudanese town but with heavy costs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsiGUE9obU


    South Sudan Conflict Spawns Fear, Insecurity

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3G7O4AnAp4
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    Wherever there's oil, there's an American army trying to get it for themselves!
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