Antifa movements outside of Western countries?

[Sasha]

Yeah,maybe its different over there, we actually had a bunch of scuffles with the greywolved (or better, wanabe greywolves), they have a habit of attacking Kurdish comunity places here and once stabbed a hungerstriker in the Hague to death. As such we often, or at least used to,, mobilse with AFA against mhp congresses etc, also there was a prominent research group originating in AFA that exposed greywolves infiltration in the socdem and greenparties.

[B.K.]

First let's define what "antifa" is. For me, "antifa" is a specific term for the members of various youth subcultures who are confronting those whom they see as "fascists" by street fighting. From this viewpoint, labelling all and every leftist or even bourgeous feminist organization as "antifa" would be a too big stretch.

Given this definition, antifa movements indeed are almost nonexistent outside of Western countries. Here in Russia, most of such movements seem to have ceased their existence in the last few years - mostly because the current problems with this country are way too serious, and can't be solved just by bashing some nazi hooligans on the streets. Moreover, the whole movement seems to be discredited by attacks on people that had nothing to do with nazis. As a result, most lestists and anti-fascists in Russia doesn't call themselves "antifa" any more.

As a general rule, most youth subcultures are very small (if existent at all) outside the "West", mostly because non-western countries are indeed more oppressive, and even wearing unusual clothes/paraphernalia is very much frowned upon in many of such countres. Moreover, the society there often associate youth subcultures (not all, of course, but most) with antisocial behaviour, excessive drinking and doing drugs.

[newdayrising]

I don't think feminists count as Antifa.
In any case the actual Antifa thing in Brazil is pretty restricted to youth subculture, pretty much a punk vs. skin thing and very much a waste of time. At best, it's kids who want to "do something" politically but end up getting caught up in mindless gang wars.

Also what constitutes a "western" country?

If you consider Feminist movements to fall under the category of Antifa, then here is a Feminist movement in Brazil. It's minuscule though, and plus since I'm form a Western country I won't hear about what goes on in Latin America very often (but it still concerns me just as much as the rest of the world).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slutwalk_in_Latin_America#Brazil
http://g1.globo.com/rio-de-janeiro/noticia/2011/07/marcha-das-vadias-reune-mulheres-no-rio-contra-violencia-sexual.html





I know this falls more under the category of bourgeois feminism, but it's better than nothing.

[Bolshevik Sickle]

I don't think feminists count as Antifa.
In any case the actual Antifa thing in Brazil is pretty restricted to youth subculture, pretty much a punk vs. skin thing and very much a waste of time. At best, it's kids who want to "do something" politically but end up getting caught up in mindless gang wars.

Also what constitutes a "western" country?

Western countries (in Blue)

[newdayrising]

Ok, this is a list of "western countries" according to someone.
But how do you define it?
In what way exactly is New Guinea or the Philipines more "western" than, say Chile?

Really, I have no idea what Americans are saying when they talk about "western society".

[Bolshevik Sickle]

Ok, this is a list of "western countries" according to someone.
But how do you define it?
In what way exactly is New Guinea or the Philipines more "western" than, say Chile?

Really, I have no idea what Americans are saying when they talk about "western society".

Not really. Western countries are predominately European populated countries. "Westernized" countries are countries with Western liberal influence, like Japan and South Korea.

[newdayrising]

My question is not the kind you answer with "not really".
Then your map is not worth much, is it?
Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and Brazil were predominantly populated by europeans, as opposed to The Philippines and New Guinea. However, there's a separate category for "Latin America".
Also, this definition of yours is according to who?
I still don't really get what "western" means. I'm not being ironic here, I think it's a term Americans use more often than other people.

[Devrim]

My question is not the kind you answer with "not really".
Then your map is not worth much, is it?

It is a bit of a strange map. Papua New Guinea is part of the West. European Turkey is Orthodox, as is Kazakhstan. It seems like it was made by someone who didn't really know what they were talking about.

I still don't really get what "western" means. I'm not being ironic here, I think it's a term Americans use more often than other people.

I think it is a term which is used outside America. Certainly people in the Middle East use it.

Devrim

[newdayrising]

Makes sense that they do. But is it in the same sense as americans do?
Who's regarded as "western" in the middle east, majority Christian countries with european cultural heritage in general or is it a more narrow definition, like the american one seems to be?
I've never been to the middle east but from my experience Europeans don't seem to talk about very much and the only people in latin america I've heard talking abou "the west" in a political context are weird neocon types and fascists.

[keine_zukunft]

Oh there are lots of antifa groups outside of the west and groups that do antifascist work too.
ok south america..chile, colombia and brazil i know for a fact that r.a.s.h is big there and they do have a significant neo nazi skinhead movement in that part of the world especially chile and brazil.
brazil notably has a big antifa scene too
brazil also has an anti antifa autonomous nat movement too which does show that politics is beyond 'subculture' wars as someone said earlier in this thread.
I believe beirut has an antifa group as there quite alot of fascist scumbags in the lebanon believe it or not!!
turkey im not sure but i have come across the greywolves many times. turkish antifascists have had street wars with them for years in kruezberg, where they own some restaurants too. the refugee camp was also attacked by greywolves too rather than by white german nazis.

[Buitraker]

Oh there are lots of antifa groups outside of the west and groups that do antifascist work too.
ok south america..chile, colombia and brazil i know for a fact that r.a.s.h is big there and they do have a significant neo nazi skinhead movement in that part of the world especially chile and brazil.
brazil notably has a big antifa scene too check

Here it is a interview from R.A.S.H Bogota(Colombia)

+ YouTube Video

[Left Voice]

http://www.labornetjp.org/news/2014/0316shasin

I know most people here don't understand Japanese, but the third picture should be self-explanatory. I know Japan has strong anti-racism groups, but it's the first time I'd heard of proper antifa groups.

[Left Voice]

Following on from the above post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqnUKd7vEU8

Again in Japanese, but it's pretty easy to figure out who are the nationalists and who are the anti-racist counter-protestors. I see a fair few antifa signs in there.

[Halert]

Announcement for Counter-demo in part english here:http://cracjpn.tumblr.com/post/79168.../0316nopasaran
Picturs of event and some english about it here:
http://shitback.tumblr.com/