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The left and rape
very interesting article about the massrape of german women at the end of ww2 and the constant downplay of these happenings from many on the left.
http://libcom.org/library/left-rape-...-million-women
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It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
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first of all it wasn't the left that raped. it was regular soldiers that has nothing to do with politics (mostly).
How can you expect that these things couldn't have happen? after what the germans did to the soviet people this is not even in the scale of bad. there were most civilian casualties in the USSR than any other nation in ww2 , and in some areas the people living there was completely exterminated, Ex. Belarus lost 2/3 of their population.
So what can you expect pretty much every russian hated Germany and everyone that supported the german government.
Once a german officer came home to his wife (i don't remember his name) and said "If a russian soldier comes and knocks on the door one day and does 10 times lees harm to you then what we did to the russians you will never be able to laugh and be happy again"
So i don't blame them. same thing with the soldiers stealing stuff. still don't blame them. etc
lets put it in a perspective, if someone came and killed members of your family and destroyed everything you own wouldn't you do something similar?
Wow. You are literally a rape apologist.
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i didn't say that they did the right thing, i said it should have been expected that those types of crimes would occur.
You don't blame them for committing mass rape? The German women and the women in other occupied countries were not the ones killing civilians in the USSR, why should they have been raped?
The Western allies also committed mass rape in the countries they liberated, were these also justified?
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Why even bring this argument in? Would be ok to rape them if they were killing civilians? Would it be ok to rape anyone anywhere ever? NO! Let's consider this as an axiom henceforth; rape is ALWAYS a crime.
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Of course not. The west didn't wave a red flag.
"We must flee from Time, we must create a life that is feminine and human - it is these imperative objectives that must guide us in this world heavy with catastrophes."
Jacques Camatte, Echos from the Past
"For example, to say that the relation between industrial capital and the class of the wage workers is expressed in precisely the same way in Belgium and Thailand, and that the praxis of their respective struggles should be established without taking into account in either of the two cases the factors of race or nationality, does not mean you are an extremist, but it means in effect that you have understood nothing of Marxism."
Amadeo Bordiga, Factors of Race and Nation in the Marxist Analysis
Now if you know basic psychology you should know how most humans react when they get their families killed and everything they have destroyed. So it shouldn't be expected that they did that types of things, soldiers literally dedicated their life to fight Germany, maybe some people saw the german population as an enemy and not the government only, so as i said it should have been expected
The western countries weren't destroyed to ruins and mass murdered so the soldiers from the west haven't got an reason to do it (mostly9 So no.
Yes yes. The german ruling class committed atrocities, thereby making rape of regular germans okay.
Fuck you.
Last edited by Remus Bleys; 2nd December 2013 at 22:13. Reason: "yyes" bothered me
"We must flee from Time, we must create a life that is feminine and human - it is these imperative objectives that must guide us in this world heavy with catastrophes."
Jacques Camatte, Echos from the Past
"For example, to say that the relation between industrial capital and the class of the wage workers is expressed in precisely the same way in Belgium and Thailand, and that the praxis of their respective struggles should be established without taking into account in either of the two cases the factors of race or nationality, does not mean you are an extremist, but it means in effect that you have understood nothing of Marxism."
Amadeo Bordiga, Factors of Race and Nation in the Marxist Analysis
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Of course not, however his argument for why he 'didnt blame them' was that it was some kind of retribution for the civilian casualties in the soviet union.
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
I DIDNT SAY THAT IT WAS RIGHT!! read what i said! I said that some people think like that, basic physiology!
You literally said you didn't blame them, thats the same as saying it was right.
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
Your saying its not a big deal. You are saying that they raped because of basic physiology (which doesn't make sense because rape isn't a basic reaction at all). You are saying give them a break.
You may as well say it was right.
The amount of contempt I have for you is unfathonable. How are you not restricted?
"We must flee from Time, we must create a life that is feminine and human - it is these imperative objectives that must guide us in this world heavy with catastrophes."
Jacques Camatte, Echos from the Past
"For example, to say that the relation between industrial capital and the class of the wage workers is expressed in precisely the same way in Belgium and Thailand, and that the praxis of their respective struggles should be established without taking into account in either of the two cases the factors of race or nationality, does not mean you are an extremist, but it means in effect that you have understood nothing of Marxism."
Amadeo Bordiga, Factors of Race and Nation in the Marxist Analysis
No that means that i acknowledge that these things would happen thats why i don't blame them.
I understand that dehumanising the enemy is part of war, but there is no excuse whatsoever for soldiers raping anyone.
Stalinist Speaker, this is a verbal warning for rape apology. You are coming across as very dismissive, as though mass rape is just "something to be expected" under the circumstances and thus something we shouldn't examine.
"Her development, her freedom, her independence must come from and through herself. First, by asserting herself as a personality, and not as a sex commodity. Second, by refusing the right to anyone over her body; by refusing to bear children unless she wants them; by refusing to become a servant to God, the State, society, the husband, the family, etc. ... by freeing herself from the fear of public opinion and public condemnation. Only that, and not the ballot, will set woman free, will make her a force hitherto unknown in the world, a force for real love, for peace, for harmony; a force of divine fire, of life-giving; a creator of free men and women."~ Emma Goldman
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i'm saying that is should have been expected after what happen in the USSR. if someone punches you in the fece would you do it back? i'm saying that they committed those crimes because they were extremely pissed of and wanted to avenge their friends and families.
As long as the high command was against it and tried to stop it the USSR shouldn't be blamed. (there were rules in the 1st Ukrainian and 2 belarusian front (mostly) under the command of I. Konev and K. Rokosovski to not do any crimes against the german population. now obviously it wasn't followed by every soldier but what could they do to prevent them?)
Dude im not gonna go back and forth with you. The sheer numbers of rapes indicates that no meaningful attempts were made by the officers to put a stop to it, and might even suggest that it was encouraged. This isn't something that happened, it was something that was allowed to happen by the soviet command structure. Saying you don't blame them in this context is the same as saying you agree with it.
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
i am not trying to make the soldiers that committed rape look innocent, what i'm trying to say is you can't blame the USSR for that after all the high command tried to prevent it.
an officer on field isn't a part of high command, i'm talking about generals, marshals e.t.c
what could the high command have done? placed out some sort of military police that goes around looking for soldiers committing crimes? pretty much unrealistic. So that is why i come to the conclusion that you can't blame the USSR and the Red army, but you should try to find those who committed those crimes (which would be hard) and sentence them for whatever crime they committed.
