doesn't that depend if they are right or left wing? as i know they can be both.
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Enviromentalism
Just a quick question. Are environmentalists welcome here on RevLeft?
doesn't that depend if they are right or left wing? as i know they can be both.
Left-wing of course. I like to call it "Green Bolshevism".
in that case yes they most likely are
Green Bolshevism?
As in, the Bolsheviks who built all those factories and nuclear weapons and space vehicles?
Of course environmentalists are welcome, you can't build socialism if the world is uninhabitable.
But...INTERSTELLAR SOCIALISM!!!
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Well, it's not hard to come to anti-capitalist conclusions from an environmental perspective. Capitalism is destroying the planet. So yes, environmentalists are welcome provided of course that they're also revolutionary leftists.
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If they aren't revolutionary, they aren't real environmentalists because they uphold the system that's destroying the planet.
So given that I'd say all real environmentalists are welcome
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industrialism?
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No, I don't have a problem with modern technology or industries if that's what you mean.
I mean the grow-or-die nature of capitalism that inherently leads it to destroy the environment.
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Environmentalism is a tool to be harnessed. Once we can free ourselves of the chains that keep us bound to this planet, we will drain it's resources and travel to new and healthier hosts.
Like a cancer, humanity will spread throughout the universe, devouring all that lie in their wake.
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Because industry is dumb, nuclear power "isn't" safer for the environment than basically every other energy source, and space is for monsters who hate our dear little blue-green pearl. /eyeroll
Bolsheviks were the only group to ever come even close to ending capitalism. Unlike all the ultraleftists who bemoan them.
I'm curious as to why you feel space vehicles are worth mentioning in this context given that
A) construction and deployment of space vehicles represents an insignificant proportion of industrial activity even during the height of the Space Race and
B) It is thanks to data gathered by satellites and other space vehicles that we have a clearer picture of things like climate change and deforestation, than we would have had in the absence of such things. And it's not just observations of the Earth that are valuable in this way - by gathering data from other planets in the Solar system, we can more accurately account for solar flux in climate models of the Earth. By observing various phenomena on other planets, we gain more insight into similar processes occurring on Earth.
This is aside from the fact that Soviet (later Russian) participation in the Space Race has laid the foundations for further forays into the rest of the Solar system, providing a wealth of both data and practical experience (the record for the longest spaceflight is held by a Russian) that will be invaluable if we are to ever take further steps towards the stars.
Spaceflight is one of greatest achievements of the human species, up there along with vaccines and municipal sanitation. It has the potential to be greater still, and to serve the interests of the vast body of humanity as well, if we could only get our act together as a global civilisation. Which is why I consider such snide sneering to be unbecoming of anyone who wants humanity to do better than it does now.
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I love how people seem to start tendency wars over the slightest things on this forums.
The USSR was ridiculously environmentally destructive and that fact is undeniable. There's no 'this tendency is better than this tendency' flexing going on here.
I mean, due to historical Soviet influence, one of the world's only inland seas no longer exists.
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'despite being a comedy, there's a lot of truth to this, black people always talking shit behind white peoples back. Blacks don't give a shit about white, why do whites give them so much "nice" attention?'
- Top Comment on the new Youtube layout.
EARTH FOR THE EARTHLINGS - BULLETS FOR THE NATIVISTS
Every capitalist country was worse. The USSR was the closest to ending capitalist environmental destruction. And really compare USSR industrial pollution to 1890's American pollution. It's all about context.
Ah, yes, mass monocropping cotton for export, a sure strategy for smashing capitalist environmental destruction.
I mean, I get the kneejerk need to defend the Soviet Union, but couldn't you have at least used something true? Like, I don't know, vacations?
Man, I wish I had Soviet-style vacations.
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