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Do you support Belarus/Lukashenko?
Do you support Belarus today?
The Communist party of Belarus (marxist-leninist) support Alexander Lukashenko widely.
Belarus united left party "a just world" seem to criticize the government more.
but none of the communist parties seem to be advocating revolution against the government.
So the question is whats your stance?
i personally support the government of Lukashenko.
So if people misunderstand what i'm trying to say:
I don't claim that Lukashenko is a communist.
i don't completely support him either: i support him on basic ground and i believe that the conditions will improve every where in that country towards socialist goals in just a matter of time. thats why i mainly support him.
Last edited by Stalinist Speaker; 13th November 2013 at 22:12.
Just because the Communist Party of Anywhere (Marxist-Leninist) supports some shitty party doesn't mean that you have to. The CPUSA for instance, supports the Democrats, the CPGB supports the Labor Party, and so on.
“All that a well-organized secret society can do is, first, to assist in the birth of the revolution by spreading among the masses ideas corresponding to their instincts, and to organize, not the army of the revolution—the army must always be the people [—] but a revolutionary General Staff composed of devoted, energetic, intelligent and above all sincere friends of the people, who are not ambitious or vain, and who are capable of serving as intermediaries between the revolutionary idea and the popular instincts.” - Bakunin the Leninist
they are the party that is coming from the CPSU after the USSR fell. they are not social democratic like CPUSA, and there is very good reasons to support Lukashenko compared to obama
Lukashenko and Obama operate in the same capacity in their different nation states. They are memebrs of the bourgeoisie and work to stabilise capitalism within, and promote the national bourgeoisie of, their respective nations. Belarus is clearly a particularly oppressive country within the capitalist world market, its capitalist government should be opposed just as vehemently as the capitalist government of the USA.
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
No actually not in Belarus workers get more rights then in other capitalist countries, and lukashenko have himself stated that he is against privatization and wants to remove it, also i think that he will join in an union if the KPRF start leading russia to rebuild the USSR.
They are social-democratic, unless you want to provide a good reason as to why they are not.
“All that a well-organized secret society can do is, first, to assist in the birth of the revolution by spreading among the masses ideas corresponding to their instincts, and to organize, not the army of the revolution—the army must always be the people [—] but a revolutionary General Staff composed of devoted, energetic, intelligent and above all sincere friends of the people, who are not ambitious or vain, and who are capable of serving as intermediaries between the revolutionary idea and the popular instincts.” - Bakunin the Leninist
In 2009, Belarus accepted a $2.5 billion dollar loan from the IMF to keep the economy afloat. Under the suggestion of the IMF, Lukashenko removed all state regulation of prices of products in 2010 which supported the privatisation programme but lead to huge increases in prices due to inflation. As a result of this inflation and unstable currency, Belarus has been turning to another capitalist nation, Russia, to help prop up its economy further. Talking of 'workers rights', opposition groups to Lukashenko have been wracked by arrests and some murders.
The USSR is never coming back and thank god. We should be fighting for something relevant to contemporary society and not something that was a failure twenty years ago.
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
It's a bourgeois Regime. Why should i support it?
For me beeing a socialist and supporting the working class means opposing basically every existing gouvernement.
And again a Stalinist reveals himself to be a bourgeois-socialist opportunist -- one would almost start to think that Marxism-Leninism is a bourgeois-socialist ideology, hmmmm. The workers are separated from the objective conditions of labour (wage-labour), confront the means of production as alien property (private class property, even if the means of production are judicially state owned), and have surplus value extorted from them (exploitation) and this is used to produce more money (capital and capital accumulation). Combined we have the basis and existence of capital. Hence, Belarus is a capitalist country based on the rule of capital over labour. Anyone vocalising, professing, or acting upon support for these bourgeois governments is not a "comrade", and stands in the way of the emancipation of the working class -- hence, an enemy.
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did he decide that?
but here he said that privatization should be stopped.
now he does speak russian (which i speak) if you don't believe me then ask someone to translate.
Oh man, this brings back memories of ManicImpression or whatever, do you remember the guy from PSL? And our lovely discussions on whether Belarus represents a special kind of a deformed workers state
In short, no.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
So all you think that you are right and almost every communist in Belarus is somehow wrong in their own country that they know more about? thats interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Maybe a person supporting and upholding a bourgeois government and capitalist society isn't a communist, food for thought. Eurocommunism and Marxism-Leninism are bourgeois-socialist ideologies in my book. They advocate a classless society, or socialism, but do so through the prism of a bourgeois paradigm leading them toward a path uncertain it will lead to a socialist society at all, while likely reproducing class society.
Last edited by Tim Cornelis; 13th November 2013 at 19:19.
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The one interaction I remember having with him over Belaruss was when he was defending the arrest of some Belarussian anarchists who had been arrested for a series of acts of "hooliganism" against, amongst other institutions, a bank, a police station and a casino lolOh man, this brings back memories of ManicImpression or whatever, do you remember the guy from PSL? And our lovely discussions on whether Belarus represents a special kind of a deformed workers state
In short, no.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
well, he is the President. If he missed that then he's a pretty shit President, so i'm guessing yes, he did decide that.
I also have a friend who is in the know in terms of Belarus and yeah, Lukashenko is a fucking nightmare.
I didn't know communists had countries?
what ever every communist in Belarus you understand
So your saying that there isn't any communists in Belarus because they support a leader that wants to restore the USSR? (more or less)
no he is saying that belarus is a capitalist country, ruled by a bourgeois dictator and communists who support such a man and system arnt communists. there are probally genuine communists in belarus though.
did he say such a thing? besides the kprf is also not communist, they are a social conservative, nationalistic and very homophobic party who support putin, oh i see a patern here.
also @stalinist_speaker: actions speak louder than words.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
