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why doesnt it makes sense? the national democratic party of egypt, the ruling party there for decades was part of the socialist international(a social democratic international) and was criticized by many of its brothers and sisters. its about politics and belarus is in the sphere of russia and not of the EU thats why belarus gets criticized by many socialdemocratic partys.
allright lets get to it then, the right to work translates into the right to be exploited, the right to be alienated from your work and the right to make profits for your boss.
well, like any capitalist country the lovely unemployed statistics are of course whitewashed to look as good as possible and put more pressure on the official unemployed people. so yeah the belarus unemployed statistics are also whitewashed and is higher than what is told. also id like to know more about the young people who refuse the amazing jobs lukashenko has to offer.
that is wrong, in the second half of the 20th century most westeuropean states(and the east european states before the berlin wall feel too) acted just like that, high wages, strong unions, many regulations on companies a big wellfare state and much, much more.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
So if people misunderstand what i'm trying to say:
I don't claim that Lukashenko is a communist.
i don't completely support him either: i support him on basic ground and i believe that the conditions will improve every where in that country towards socialist goals in just a matter of time. thats why i mainly support him.
i meant with right to work as a guaranteed work for everyone that you can get a living of.
No these unemployment statistics are not false, 1 i don't know any one that is unemployed in Belarus, 2 when you walking down the street in Minsk you can see job applications hanging around pretty much anywhere you go, i remember last summer every buss in Minsk they were asking on for people to apply to work inside the buss, you can hear about available jobs in radio, and state TV to, the people doesn't look for work its the state looking for workers, and its also encourages people to work if your unemployed.
those young people aren't lazy they just turned 18 and still live with their mom and dad, did you go look for an work straight away when you turned 18?
i dont think that this is what we were arguing about, it was more your support of a capitalist state and its bourgeois dictator.
and what are these socialist goals? will the ruling class of belarus give the power away to the working class one day? will the means of production be owned by the working class? what you support is that belarus has, unlike many other former eastbloc states, still a relativly allrightish wellfare state and that lukanshenko talks like a bit "leftish" wich doesnt change a thing. the belarusian state will crack down on any worker unrest, any atempt of the working class to emancipate its self will be drowned in blood by the state and the class you support.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
i was working since i was 16, right after i left school i had to look for a job, with 18 i was unemployed. sorry i dont have the time for more replying, if i feel like it i'll jump right into this again tomorrow or whenever. enough time wasted on revleft for one night.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
now again, he clearly says (on russian) that he wants to remove all privatization = decrease the difference between the workers and the bourgeoisie, if you don't believe me then ask someone else to translate. i might do an complete translate later if people are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENA2Q...0&noredirect=1
no problem, well you don't need/can't to work when you are 16 in Belarus, they instead encourage you to study at collage or something like that, and if you need money for some good reason the government helps you out.
College at 16?
Also, uh, that's exactly the situation in Sweden. Y'know, capitalist, right-wing Sweden.
so? you can get a lot better lines to go in Belarus where you learn more and you also get into them a lot easier then sweden. some educational lines in sweden are a complete joke like (Fordon och transport (vehicle and transport), Bygg (build, for work as a builder e.t.c)
, VVS (honestly i don't have an exact translation, but its like studting for a plumber,) och andra(and other), (yes i speak Swedish))
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His opposition to the shock-therapy suggested by the IMF and the united states after the fall of the SU and the independance of Belarus among other nations is to be commended. Having said that, it IS a bourgeois, pro-capitalist regime like most social-democrat parties and while I welcome a progressive political stance, it can also be argued that they're creating illusions for the people. In doing this, they, like many social democrats would hamper the development toward a socialist society in stead of supporting it.
Lukashenko may be better than the idiots who want to sell out the country to the EU and NATO who wave this crap flag
But he is still no commie or anarchist and he's still mediocre at best.
Well firstly, I tried and she tried - for months - to find employment, but couldn't. So much for guaranteed employment. Both in Minsk and Polotsk (as well as her sister in Vitebsk). I'll chalk that up to my nationality, but she's native to belarus. "Free" healthcare was nice. I had to go to the hospital a couple of times and it helped out. ~15 USD per month and it's covered.
So every single communist that has years of experience as a former party official from the USSR are also caught in that magic illusion of Lukashenko?
i guess that explains my belief, Lukashenko the wizard has cast a spell on me to support his government just as every other communist in Belarus!!
I don't think you understood the point he was making at all.
Those are typical capitalist work-preparatory courses. It's the sort of things you get when you graduated from a technical secondary or tertiary school in the SSSR... They are intended to produce technically competent workers for these sectors of industry. How old are you?
The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way.
ex. Takayuki
Yes and those types of education does not exist in Belarus, there are similar but you have more theoretical classes.
Don't bring the lines into this. It's unrelated to your argument. In Sweden, you don't need to work at 16. You can go to high school, and receive money from the state. Then, you can go to university, or a trade school, and receive money from the state. Exactly what you praised Belarus for.
But on the lines - I don't see why high school education geared towards getting you into a trade is a joke? Is there something disrespectable or inferior about being a mechanic, a carpenter, a plumber?
i am just saying that you get better education in Belarus then most western countries, and that they actually try to give a better education to people, and that its easier for an person to get in to collage in Belarus then Sweden, and you were the one bringing sweden up so don't blame me.
Oh I am blaming you. The better education/lines/whatever is unrelated, as it was neither part of your original statement or my counter-argument.
so then what question are you asking me?
Capitalism can provide healthcare, can provide housing and education. Belarus, although I'm certain you're looking at the nation with rose-tinted glasses, is obviously a place where these things are available. That's not the point. The means of production remains out of the hands of the majority, the working class, and in the hands of a minority, the capitalist class. Working people are exploited in order to maintain the privilege of a small minority of people, of which Lukashenko is one of them. Private property exists and, as communists, it is our goal to rectify that and not support its existance.
Modern democracy is nothing but the freedom to preach whatever is to the advantage of the bourgeoisie - Lenin
