Do you support Belarus/Lukashenko?

[Niccolo]

So you admit that you're homophobic? I assume that you are now as your response to my comment about Lukashenko's homophobia was simply brushed aside by you saying that Marx never spoke about the topic.

Answer the question: are you homophobic or not, and if not, why do you support Lukashenko, an oppressive capitalist?

[Per Levy]

Why many of you hate lukashenko just because he might be a homophobe ?

we despise lukashenko for being a bourgeois dictator of a capitalist country, that he is also a homophobe is another reason that adds why we despise him.

I am a marxist myself and read many of the works of marx-engels-lenin.

and what have you gotten out of it? that capitalist countries are socialist, that communism in one country is possible, that the great man theory of the world is actualy a thing and that the conspiracy theories about the end of the SU are all true? i havnt read "50% of marxs works" but what i did read lead me to very different view than what you hold.

And found out that marx never talked about homosexuality.

yes it wasnt an issue for marx/engels therefore they hardly talked about it, and when they did, in private letters, it was mostly negative. that said it isnt the 19th century anymore, we live in 2013 and anyone who is a homophobe nowadays is a reactionary.

And you are talking like fighting homophobia is part of marxism.

in a way, sure. because the majority of people who are homosexual, bi and trans are workers afterall.

[Communist(stalinist)]

I am just neutral about homosexuality. And I support lukashenko for this - ussr collapsed in 1991, but most people that loved there didn't want it to collapse. And today most of them want it to be back. And lukashenko is one of the leaders who also wants it to be back.

[sosolo]

Why many of you hate lukashenko just because he might be a homophobe ? I am a marxist myself and read many of the works of marx-engels-lenin. And found out that marx never talked about homosexuality. And you are talking like fighting homophobia is part of marxism.

It is. Absolutely. Just like fighting racism, patriarchy, nationalism, and any other oppression that serves to divide the working class.

Marx is not Moses, his writings are neither divinely inspired nor completely exhaustive. He was a fallible human being after all.

Lenin added, through experience and a scientific study of socialism and revolution, to the basis laid out by Marx.


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[Comrade Chernov]

No i'm saying you might as well make it off limits for russians since almost every (about 80%+) russian "Communist" have almost the same views as me. (in most cases)

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I am just neutral about homosexuality. And I support lukashenko for this - ussr collapsed in 1991, but most people that loved there didn't want it to collapse. And today most of them want it to be back. And lukashenko is one of the leaders who also wants it to be back.

Most of the Russians want the USSR to be back for Nationalist rather than Socialist reasons. The USSR was stronger than today's Russia is, the USSR was actually a threat to the USA. Russia...well, they have nukes, and that's about their only trump card. Their military is both smaller than, and poorly-equipped compared to, the American armed forces. The USSR was a larger country, too. Nobody likes to see their country downgraded in size and world stature, it's the same thing that happened to Germany in the aftermath of the First World War. And, like in Germany, it's Nationalists who are on the rise in Russia right now. That's why Putin's conservative-nationalist party is so strong.

Not to mention, yes, the opposition of LGBT rights is reactionary in nature. Some of my, personally, most radical comrades are trans/genderfluid/not within the gender binary, or are otherwise gay. I'm pansexual myself. So, yeah, I like to think that LGBT rights are a part of the revolution, and I'm not too keen on supporting Lukashenko if he'd have me and my comrades thrown in prison for existing.

[Communist(stalinist)]

So you, the one who lives in usa knows more than me, the one who leaves in russia and is russian? First of all, putin hates nationalism and nationalists.in ussr nationalism was hated. Because there was only one - soviet nation. And russia today is much weaker than ussr but much stronger than usa and NATO.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

If Putin truly hated nationalism then his principles wouldn't let him be a leader of a nation.

[Brutus]

We should fight discrimination because how can a person work "to their ability" in socialism if they are being victimised and harassed?

[Communist-USSR]

Any country hates him, again, he was a terrorist. And wasn't gaddafi socialist?

Al-Qaeda is created by the US and they gave money to Osama because they were going to fight against the pro-Soviet Afghan regime.

[karlbrosky]

I don't support any bourgeois state or politician.

That's just the thing - as communists, we can't lend political support to a capitalist government without surrendering our position as communists. It may be that you personally like Lukashenko, or think he's a nice guy, or recognize that his government has done good things, which I'm sure it has. But to all those that view him as a "progressive" anti-imperialist bulwark, remember that the national bourgeoisie is always unstable, vacillating, ever-searching for the best deal whether it's under Russian or American influence or a "nationalist" regime.

Capitalism's logic itself will bring Lukashenko into conflict with the Belorussian working class, and when it does, Marxists who chose the national bourgeoisie over international working class solidarity will find themselves discredited and tainted.

[Communist(stalinist)]

@communist-ussr
I agree with you, but usa in public has to tell that they hated him. Yes but really they created him just to remove our soviet Afghanistan.

@karlbrosky
Why do you think that lukashenko is a bourgeoise? He always says that he wants ussr to be back, ussr was a socialist state, that means lukashenko is a socialist.

[Comrade Chernov]

He might be socialist, but he'd be a bourgeois socialist, because the state is a bourgeois construction.

Also, no, Putin doesn't hate Nationalism. Soviet Russia was HIGHLY Nationalist. They call the Eastern Front "the Great Patriotic War", for crying out loud. Patriotism is the highest and purest form of Nationalism. Whenever someone says "Motherland" in reference to the Soviet Union, they're being Nationalist, because "Motherland" and "Fatherland" refer to countries and therefore Nationalist rhetoric. The USSR might have started out as an anti-Nationalist state, but by the 1980s and 1990s it was thoroughly Nationalist. The USSR, the PRC, North Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia (especially Yugoslavia), Cuba, Venezuela - they're all Socialist States and all of them use(d) high amounts of Nationalism to keep their populations happy.

[Remus Bleys]

Al-Qaeda is created by the US and they gave money to Osama because they were going to fight against the pro-Soviet Afghan regime.

And then 9/11 happened. Don't give me this conspiracy theory bullshit where the US was friendly with al quaeda after 9/11

Why do you think that lukashenko is a bourgeoise? He always says that he wants ussr to be back, ussr was a socialist state, that means lukashenko is a socialist.

What makes you think the ussr was socialist

[Remus Bleys]

How can you say that ussr was imperialist?

Like this

our soviet Afghanistan.

emphasis added.

[Communist(stalinist)]

Who made this? I Mean who wrote "this fuck whos name i forget i think its something with stalinist in it"

[Hrafn]

Who made this? I Mean who wrote "this fuck whos name i forget i think its something with stalinist in it"

Are you high? Because if you are, there's a whole thread for incoherent rambling

[Sea]

This is the biggest conpsiracy theory ever. What a fucking marxist analysis, huh?

No, the biggest conspiracy ever was the bald-hairy-bald-hairy-bald-hairy thing.

Ussr only needed 20 more years and we would have already build communism.

Isn't that what Khrushchev said?

[Communist-USSR]

And then 9/11 happened. Don't give me this conspiracy theory bullshit where the US was friendly with al quaeda after 9/11
What makes you think the ussr was socialist

Yes, so what?? I didn't say that the US supported them after 9/11. At least until recently, now they are supporting al quaeda terrorists in Syria and Libya...

[Communist(stalinist)]

No, khrushev said that communism will be built in 1980, but I said that possibly, in 21 century.

[Sea]

No, khrushev said that communism will be built in 1980, but I said that possibly, in 21 century.

So? Even the Great Vladimir Lenin wondered at one point if he'd even see the revolution in his lifetime.