I find it very disturbing... Disagree is a fine description.
I would also say the "leftist" opinion would be an almost direct contridiction to these:
4. The major point of the left is to help everyone not be an a**
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The Nine Satanic Statements
What are the leftist opinions of The Nine Satanic Statements?
I personally disagree with satanic philosophy, and I am not a satanist despite my avatar being that of a Baphomet.
I find it very disturbing... Disagree is a fine description.
I would also say the "leftist" opinion would be an almost direct contridiction to these:
4. The major point of the left is to help everyone not be an a**
Here in dreamland we will not obey the masters
We have nothing to lose, but our chains
These are way too abstract - meaning, not elaborated in the context of social criticism - to pronounce any easy judgement.
For instance, point no 1 is perfectly fine with me in a very specific context. Point 2 as well. And if I might add, point 9 directly undermines and pretense of philosophical and/or spiritual opposition to mainstream religious moral ideology.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
I've never fully understood the satanic religion. Do they accept the legitimacy of Abrahamic religions but focus their attention on the fallen angel? Or is satanism something that can be separated from Abrahamic religions? I always thought that the worship of Satan nessecitates the existence of God and probably the Abrahamic mythos as well.
4 sounds like angsty-teen shit.
Sick.
It all sounds like angsty-teen shit.
Shaytan is bad mmmmkay, we shouldn't really be trying to court the king of the underworld, mmkay, especially in his angsty Goth teen form, his power level exceeds 9,000 at the point, that's bad, mmmkay.
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
satan is cool, these are pretty lame though.
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
Of the satanists I've met and readings on the church of Satan's website, they see satanism as a philosophy rather than a religion. They see their philosophy as one that benefits the self sand therefore you can hold whatever political or religious view you want, so potentially you could be a Christian Satanist if Christianity suits your needs. Most satanists view Satan or the fallen angel as a symbol of their own egotistical interpretation. Satanists can be separated from the abrahamic faiths but some are just atheists who could care less about religion and others are antitheists. You don't need to believe in god, gods, or Satan to be a satanist because that would be your choice to believe in god, gods, or lack of god and Satan. There are also satanic leftists.
http://satanicleft.weebly.com/
Church of Satan FAQ:
http://www.churchofsatan.com/frequently-asked-questions.php
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Idunno, in a lot of forms he seems pretty lame, neurotic, whiney and weak. A mysterious desert Deity seems was more badass given the records.
Come little children, I'll take thee away, into a land of enchantment, come little children, the times come to play, here in my garden of magic.
"I'm tired of this "isn't humanity neat," bullshit. We're a virus with shoes."-Bill Hicks.
I feel the Bern and I need penicillin
Who would win in a fight though?
Satan or Thor?
I think Thor would win.
Thor ithout a doubt. Let's keep more serious debate and discussion though.Who would win in a fight though?
Satan or Thor?
I think Thor would win.
Apparently every time I've had to deal with an edgy internet tough-guy I've actually been dealing with a manifestation of the prince of darkness. Who knew?
These statements suppose that there is a satan in the first place. Any materialist would disagree.
If you can show us that satan exists, maybe we can interview him as to the truth of these statements. Until then, no.
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"Think for yourself; question authority." - Timothy Lenin
not really, 'cos LaVey's concept of Satan here is not a supernatural being but a "symbol" for lack of a better word. which is why he is repeatedly saying "represents".
the worship of Satan in this case is an elevation of qualities deemed admirable by LaVey & co.
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Laveyan Satanism is just Right-Wing Libertarianism with Pentagrams. Personally I find Occultism and Luciferianism more interesting, but I don't seriously believe in any of that stuff. Both Satan and God are Bourgeoisie abstractions.
"Traitors to Marxism-Leninism, agents of imperialism and intriguers like Josif Broz Tito, try in a thousand ways, by hatching up diabolic schemes like the creation of a third force, to mislead these people and the newly-set up states [in Africa and Asia], to detach them from their natural allies, to hitch them up to U.S. imperialism. We should exert all our efforts to defeat the schemes of these lackeys of imperialism"- Enver Hoxha
"Ours is a just cause; victory will be ours!" -Josef Stalin
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IIRC the inspiration LaVey took for his positions came from a hodgepodge of sources including Ayn Rand, "Ragnar Redbeard" and a few others.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Walter O'dim is way cooler than satan
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
The philosophy of Satanism can hardly be judged on the 9SS alone. Anyone who tries to claim a political bend to Satanism is talking out their ass. It is stated in The Satanic Bible, in no uncertain terms, that a person's decision to affiliate with any political party (or none at all) is exactly that: the decision of the person. It is also an atheistic philosophy so those who try and equate it with devil-worship (inverted Christianity) are, once again, talking out their ass.
Edit: wanted to address a few things said in this thread directly:
Let's revisit what it says, "Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!" What about not wanting to show love, respect, kindness etc for someone who would completely treat them like shit makes a person an ass?Originally Posted by RedSunrise
They are only abstract when taken, like the OP, in abstract. The Nine Satanic Statements appear at the beginning of the Satanic Bible wherein these statements are elaborated on.Originally Posted by LinksRadikal
1. "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!"
One of the central concepts of Christianity is to deny our human nature, deny ourselves; pleasure is often seen as a bad thing and we are expected to abstain from "sin" (gratification) in order to get in god's good graces and get into heaven. The Satanist spits upon this concept for the life-denying ethic that it is.
9. "Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!"
This one is more tongue-in-cheek than anything. But this is also playing off the scare-tactic used by churches (starting in the 1600's and continuing today) where Satan is used to, literally, scare people into pews.
Only to the ignorant. Satanism is an atheist/materialist philosophy. "Satan" here is merely an archetype not an actual being or entity deserving or worship or praise.Originally Posted by Sea
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I'm not a fan of LaVeyan Satanism for many reasons, primarily because it's a self-aggrandizing use of negatively received superstitious symbols that serves as the vehicle of a vacuous program of subordinate self-aggrandizement in the guise of Nietzschean independence of thought.
