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You do realize it is a successful tactic, and has been such for years here in Sweden? They're no martyrs here. They're not inspired. Groups like Anti-Fascist Action and the Revolutionary Front carry out organized campaigns, in which they - for example - select an organized Fascist, attack his home, vandalize his property, out him as a Nazi to all his neighbours, publish all his personal details online, etc. and continue to do so until said Fascist publicly renounces his ideology and ceases activity. Tactics such as these, combined with a thorough street presence in regards to propaganda, counter-protests, etc. is what has made it very, very hard to operate as a Nazi in today's Sweden.
Edit: Also, again, quit whining about your goddamn "pencil arms". Your physical condition has nothing to do with this. I myself would hardly call myself buffed, and neither would I describe most active anti-Fascists I know as such.
Very well then. I will accept the evidence you've provided of how violence can work. So about a compromise: how about we as leftists pursue both strategies, physical and intellectual? They don't have to contradict each other.
Another thing, what am I supposed to do then, if I'm not physically strong? What happens if I run into really buff fascists who perform physical labor for their jobs? If violence is going to be pursued, then there need to be more leftists who are strong, who are blue-collar laborers, and who can actually beat up people. If you're going to pursue violence, then prepare yourself, and lift weights, and practice with a punching bag.
those are for the bourgeoisie and their sycophants
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
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For your first paragraph - no. Your harassment at Stormfront will accomplish nothing, as previous argued by several posters. If you can find other venues to intellectually argue, then sure, but don't do it on Stormfront where it will go without effect.
Second paragraph - don't be silly. You don't need muscles to participate in a street protest. Not even in the black block. You don't need muscles to spread propaganda. And, really, let's be honest, if you by chance would like to get engaged in the violent part of fighting Fascism, you don't need muscles planting an explosive device on someone's car while your comrades keep watch. There is naturally a need for muscles, but not everyone have to be buff. So don't try to argue about your own weakness.
Oh, this thread is still going...
I just want to reiterate a few points:
1) It's about as pointless going on scumfront to debate fascists as it is for fascists to come on here and try to convince us, so.... Why bother? There are loads more productive ways to spend your time.
2) Turn up to an antifascist demo and actually manage to have a debate with one of the fascists and I will eat my steel capped boots. They don't debate and they don't listen. That's not what they're there for.
3) Which brings me to the next point... It's really fucking important to show that they are not welcome to preach their hate, because their very presence makes a place unsafe for ethnic/religious minorities, LGBT people, etc. You can't just let them stand there and talk, they have to be shown the door at the very least.
Also... I'm not exactly massive myself (1.64m tall, ~52kg) but that doesn't stop me going out on antifascist demos. In fact the main reason I don't go very often at the moment is because of my son and it's hard to get childcare. So there's really no excuse - you can always provide valuable support for comrades even if you want to avoid most of the violence that might break out.
"Her development, her freedom, her independence must come from and through herself. First, by asserting herself as a personality, and not as a sex commodity. Second, by refusing the right to anyone over her body; by refusing to bear children unless she wants them; by refusing to become a servant to God, the State, society, the husband, the family, etc. ... by freeing herself from the fear of public opinion and public condemnation. Only that, and not the ballot, will set woman free, will make her a force hitherto unknown in the world, a force for real love, for peace, for harmony; a force of divine fire, of life-giving; a creator of free men and women."~ Emma Goldman
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I like Grammar Comrades, they're the left-wing answer to Grammer Nazis.
I take offense to that!!!
Why should I waste my time debating with Neo Nazi idiots when I can find better things to do?
The point of a black block is to hide people who are doing illegal stuff by allowing them to blend into a large, anonymous group. Simply dressing in black and standing around would help. No muscle required.
I'm conflicted on the question of whether to debate the fascists. It may not be harmful to debate with individual Nazis. After all, their arguments are weak and if nothing else anyone who is listening (or reading if it's on the internet) who isn't a zealous Nazi already but is somewhat sympathetic to their cause may be swayed.
At any rate, violence should never be ruled out. Debating a single isolated Nazi is one thing but if they're organized and numerous in a particular area it's very important that they be dealt with by any means necessary. Debating probably wouldn't help in this situation.
Right, but on the internet, debating is the perfect strategy. Hopefully studies like the Colorado Adoption Project and the study dealing with the Columbus Ohio crime rates can open more minds to the notion of nature being more influential than nurture.
