Anti-White Hate Groups

[Flying Purple People Eater]

That site that Aleister linked is disgusting. How dare they use Assata for the picture figurehead of their disgusting flipside right-wing racist forums.

I get what you are saying, I really do, but I think Igor's point, however clumsily made, about the fact that this critique is incredibly American-centric is still valid. Actually, it's not just for America, but any country where whites or mixed are in power, including most of Latin America, Europe, Australia and parts of Africa that your polemic is restricted to.

Indeed, there is still institutionalized racism and bigotry against "white" people. For instance, several decades since colonialism ended Amerasians in both Koreas to this day (and to a lesser degree in Okinawa) suffer immense barriers to social advancement. I think this is a complicated story, but it is "racism" in a very real sense. In Taiwan photos are required on resumes, and for many positions I'm told there is routine discrimination against people who aren't of pure Han descent or can't pass as such.

The same in Japan. If you have curly hair then you are a target for discrimination in schools and public life - looking slightly ethnically different will set the racist savagery going. If you don't look like a cardboard cut-out Japanese person, then you're 'alien' or even 'subhuman'. If you think the 'perpetual foreigner' racist garbage is strong in America, trust me, the US hasn't even got a thing against Japan and South Korea.

Though I must criticise you on the racism experienced in Japan as this: while it's true that institutional racism happens to white people in S. Korea and Japan, the fact is that African Americans, people from S-East Asia (Indonesia and the Phillipines) and Melanesians get it much, much, much worse. White people are for the most part seen as 'querky' or 'different', and even interesting, in said countries, but if you're Papuan or African the attitudes echo Klan-friendly 1930s white shit America. People will actually not let their family associate with you because of your skin colour, TV shows that would be outright banned in America showing Koreans dressing up in makeup to look Afro-American and acting stupid on purpose are broadcast daily, everybody thinks that people with dark-skin are rapists, etc. . I remember an account by an African-American English teacher working in Korea remarked that his first class consisted of students who repeatedly called him 'ape' and 'monkey', and by another African-American teacher in China who lost his job because students complained that they 'didn't like being taught things by a black'.

In short, Japan and Korea in terms of general racial abuse have the potential to be much worse than the US (one of the reasons why I'm never setting foot in them), but the racism suffered by people who look 'white' doesn't come close to the racism towards Visayans, Javans, Papuans, Afro-Americans, etc.

[Bolshevik Sickle]

In short, Japan and Korea in terms of general racial abuse have the potential to be much worse than the US.

Yeah, but with Japan's fertility rate dwindling they will see a wave of immigrant soon enough. However, I do not support racism from or against the would-be immigrants entering Japan.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Yeah, but with Japan's fertility rate dwindling they will see a wave of immigrant soon enough. However, I do not support racism from or against the would-be immigrants entering Japan.

Tough chance of that. Japanese society is ridiculously conservative and the leading party basically wants migrants to the country on spikes.

I mean, the Japanese government has not even given citizenship to ethnic Koreans who have been living in the country for hundreds of years based on them 'not having Japanese blood', and have only a few years ago recognised the Ainu as the original indigenous people of Japan - and basically only after a UN human rights guy came back from Japan and called it a racist shithole (which it is). I doubt that such racist positions are going to change with an influx of migrants (though it would likely give at least some people in isolated Japan a slap to the face about their fellow humans).

[Yuppie Grinder]

Racism is a systematic thing, individuals who hold prejudiced views against white people are not the same sort or size of problem as institutionalized white supremacy.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Racism is a systematic thing, individuals who hold prejudiced views against white people are not the same sort or size of problem as institutionalized white supremacy.

Err, Japanese, Malay and South Korean supremacy are institutionalised in their respective countries.

This isn't just about white people (and people from the South-East Asian isles, India and PNG mores) being racially abused (which does play into institutional racism). This is about non-Japanese people not even being able to get a job because of their ethnicity - about people being treated as subhuman and deprived of rights under the farcical Grecan idea of freedom, not being able to enter a store because they are not 'pureblood Japanese/Korean/etc' (fucking foul) and there being no laws whatsoever against said segregational implementations.

Malay supremacy against ethnic Chinese people in Malaysia is explosively bad - it is easily as problematic as that facing African-Americans in the US today, and possibly even mores. Chinese people are segregated out of Malay schools, threatened with deportation constantly by the government, have to pay ridiculous amounts for schooling supplies that Malay people get at much lower prices, and for universities that Malay people are let into free. Chinese people who have accidentally caused some kind of incident, such as a car crash, are sometimes even beaten to death. The dogs I posted a thread about earlier this year that focussed on Malay Neo-Nazis wasn't a joke. Those people weren't silly kids who didn't know about Hitler and just wanted to look cool - they were the real deal; bonehead thugs that most definitely terrorise ethnic Han people throughout the city.

[MarxSchmarx]

That site that Aleister linked is disgusting. How dare they use Assata for the picture figurehead of their disgusting flipside right-wing racist forums.


The same in Japan. If you have curly hair then you are a target for discrimination in schools and public life - looking slightly ethnically different will set the racist savagery going. If you don't look like a cardboard cut-out Japanese person, then you're 'alien' or even 'subhuman'. If you think the 'perpetual foreigner' racist garbage is strong in America, trust me, the US hasn't even got a thing against Japan and South Korea.

Though I must criticise you on the racism experienced in Japan as this: while it's true that institutional racism happens to white people in S. Korea and Japan, the fact is that African Americans, people from S-East Asia (Indonesia and the Phillipines) and Melanesians get it much, much, much worse. White people are for the most part seen as 'querky' or 'different', and even interesting, in said countries, but if you're Papuan or African the attitudes echo Klan-friendly 1930s white shit America. People will actually not let their family associate with you because of your skin colour, TV shows that would be outright banned in America showing Koreans dressing up in makeup to look Afro-American and acting stupid on purpose are broadcast daily, everybody thinks that people with dark-skin are rapists, etc. . I remember an account by an African-American English teacher working in Korea remarked that his first class consisted of students who repeatedly called him 'ape' and 'monkey', and by another African-American teacher in China who lost his job because students complained that they 'didn't like being taught things by a black'.

In short, Japan and Korea in terms of general racial abuse have the potential to be much worse than the US (one of the reasons why I'm never setting foot in them), but the racism suffered by people who look 'white' doesn't come close to the racism towards Visayans, Javans, Papuans, Afro-Americans, etc.

I think this is on a basic level true. But I wonder if you read the rest of my post where I noted:

Is their (i.e., the children of white-vietnamese couplings) plight any worse than other minorities in places like Vietnam? I doubt it, in fact it is probably marginally better than, say, Khmer or offspring of black or South Korean soldiers or even foreign-born Vietnamese.

The west's racist attitudes do carry over, and in Vietnam children of White soldiers had it a lot easier than children of black soldiers as well as other minorities such as children of Korean soldiers or arguably the Khmer minority.

Actually I'd argue that this is not restricted to south/south east asian and black people, but at least in Japan's case being discovered to be Korean/Han Chinese is even more detrimental than being white or half-white. The exceptions might be Koreans who have completely assimilated, but I think there are also economic issues where people of European decent in Japan tend to be wealthier than people of Korean decent. And as you (and I) noted the pogroms against Chinese in Vietnam were horrifying and their legacy is deep.

So I don't disagree that "non-whites" have it worse in a lot of Asia, including Japan, when it comes to racism. This doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, just is in places like America or Brazil, arguably "non-black" minorities suffer less than black groups.

FYI, the curly hair thing I am not so sure about (there are people like ex prime minister Koizumi who have natural curly hair but people with artificial perms or tattoos are associated with gang membership so that is a bit different I think). But I think the fact that both Japan and Taiwan among others demand photos on resumes is telling about the persistence of racism in both societies in a way that it does not exist in say North America.