Anti-White Hate Groups

[Creative Destruction]

Amerindian/Mestizo Supremacists

jesus christ

[tachosomoza]

Non-white "hate" groups wouldn't exist if not for the determination of the white bourgeoisie to maintain a state of non-white peonage and subordination. The Nation of Islam was founded in the 1920s, a time in which black people were forced into slums in the North and onto plantations in the South, where they lived just a hairbreadth from the slavery of their ancestors. Yeah, they called white people devils, because they acted like (and many would argue, still act like) devils by the non-white community. If anything, white people's failure to let well enough alone after the Civil War (instead, founding the KKK and lynching black teachers, etc) was the cause of the current state of the African descended community and the eventual rise of groups like the NBPP and Nation of Islam. You don't like non-white "hate groups"? Stop making them hate you and actually try to listen when they're trying to talk to you. People don't like talking to brick walls, especially when the ancestors of those brick walls enslaved and tortured the ancestors of the people they criticize and demean. Non-whites don't have a stranglehold on political and economic power in the United States. White people do. Whatever happens to non-whites here, white people are responsible for it. If non-whites hate whites in the United States, they have cause to. They didn't just decide to get up one day and hate white people, it's the result of lifelong, generationally handed down oppression and sickening behavior on behalf of whites.

[khad]

This is about as laughable as some bloods on hoodup trying to talk about wiping out Latinos and going up against the cartels. There aren't enough NBPP goons to even take on the militia movement, let alone all white people.

If they are really capable of committing to a race war, they would have done it already.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

If I was a black person in the USA, knowing the history of that country as I do, I think i'd use similar language to the black panthers tbh. They've suffered so much, is it any wonder that their language is cloaked in aggression and the idea of 'race war'?

Much like we talk about class war, because class is our primary focus as marxists and revolutionary anarchists, so for black liberation groups, race is their main focus. They've been put in prison, murdered, lynched, stopped from going certain places, held down in terms of wages and civil rights, not even allowed to drink at the same fucking water fountain as others - is it any wonder that their main focus is racial liberation?

It is impossible for a black person in the US to be institutionally racist against white people, since black people are one of the most oppressed groups in the US, and have been since that country's inception.

They have every fucking right to be aggressive against the white races IMO. It doesn't mean they are, or should be, literally aggressive to every white person just for being white, but it does mean that a large component of black liberation theory (and praxis) in the US should incorporate the understanding of white privilege, and the need to use militant means to achieve the liberation of black people in the US.

[Aleister Granger]

There's a difference between black liberation (which is a branch of proletarian liberation), black power (a stronger branch of racial proletarian pride standing against and calling out racial oppression), and black supremacy ("white 'people' are not human, so blast all crakkas' brains with a shotgun").

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

There's a difference between black liberation (which is a branch of proletarian liberation), black power (a stronger branch of racial proletarian pride standing against and calling out racial oppression), and black supremacy ("white 'people' are not human, so blast all crakkas' brains with a shotgun").

True, but in my experience, many white people are quick to lump many groups in the latter camp, wrongly.

I can see why black people in the US are bitter in terms of their treatment by white people from across the political spectrum.

[Creative Destruction]

so blast all crakkas' brains with a shotgun

Stop. Please. For the love of god, please fucking stop.

[tachosomoza]

Also, we need to differentiate between the original Maoist Black Panther Party for Self Defense and the New Black Panther Party. They have nothing in common but the name, and the remaining members of the original BPP have repudiated the tactics, rhetoric and behavior of the NBPP.

[Aleister Granger]

Stop. Please. For the love of god, please fucking stop.

[Obviously] not my words. From the site itself.

[#FF0000]

what a dumb thread can we please trash it lol

[Aleister Granger]

It's not dumb at all. It's just acknowledging that racism is not indigenous to whites and is commonly confused for racial liberation by those unfamiliar to it.

[#FF0000]

It's not dumb at all. It's just acknowledging that racism is not indigenous to whites and is commonly confused for racial liberation by those unfamiliar to it.

Except no one on the planet says that only white people can have racial prejudices and the New Black Panther Party being dumb is news to nobody.

[Aleister Granger]

Except no one on the planet says that only white people can have racial prejudices and the New Black Panther Party being dumb is news to nobody.

Have you been to America? From what I've gathered, there's this mindset that only whites can truly be "racist" and everyone else who uses racial epithets "are not being serious about it." Some people even say it's 'cute' to hear when non-whites racially hate other non-whites, but 'wrong' when it's white on nonwhite.
That's what I've gathered. I think more people than we're willing to admit believe only white people can have racial prejudices, mainly because they're not willing to think, or are so brainwashed by the liberal media into accepting white liberal doctrines.

Then again this is America we're talking about. America is so, so, so backwards compared to other 1st world countries that I can't even laugh about it. Somedays I don't think America was an experiment but a joke.

[tachosomoza]

Have you been to America? From what I've gathered, there's this mindset that only whites can truly be "racist" and everyone else who uses racial epithets "are not being serious about it." Some people even say it's 'cute' to hear when non-whites racially hate other non-whites, but 'wrong' when it's white on nonwhite.
That's what I've gathered. I think more people than we're willing to admit believe only white people can have racial prejudices, mainly because they're not willing to think, or are so brainwashed by the liberal media into accepting white liberal doctrines.

Then again this is America we're talking about. America is so, so, so backwards compared to other 1st world countries that I can't even laugh about it. Somedays I don't think America was an experiment but a joke.

You sound like one of those white victimist types.

[Aleister Granger]

You sound like one of those white victimist types.

You're besides the point yourself. The fact is, in America, the view of race is so skewed by liberal media and conservative apologism that no one knows how to discuss it properly, so they assume whites are racist, no one else is, and that it's only racial hate when it's white on black and not the other way around or another race on another race. Perhaps Asians as well, but the Zimmerman trial is an example of that. The man was half-white, half-hispanic. The media blew up his white ancestry because it's too messy to talk about Hispanic-on-black attitudes because, according to white liberals, there are unfortunate implications involving an African American racist or a Hispanic racist.

By purposely making non-white racial ultranationalism synonymous with "black liberation" or "Native American liberation", you make whites seem to be the main propagator of it and thus make whites reactionary. More than they already are, I mean.

Am I making sense or do I need to restate it?

Americans don't understand race or racial attitudes, is what I'm trying to say so they rely on black and white interpretations, no pun intended, which simplifies the problem far too much. And liberals, more in an attempt to preserve bourgeois ideals than actually solve racial problems, decide to make it a black and white issue.

You don't hear too much about civil rights abuse between whites and hispanics or Asians outside immigration. America's race problem is just a bit... off. No one sees it as a class problem.

[Creative Destruction]

That's what I've gathered. I think more people than we're willing to admit believe only white people can have racial prejudices, mainly because they're not willing to think, or are so brainwashed by the liberal media into accepting white liberal doctrines.

No, you just misunderstand key points and arguments regarding white racism vs. racism coming from people of color.

[#FF0000]

Have you been to America?

lol

From what I've gathered, there's this mindset that only whites can truly be "racist" and everyone else who uses racial epithets "are not being serious about it."

Nah, I mean if you talk to anyone this is just false, since most people have a very basic idea of racism that means "individual racial prejudice". The people who say some variation of "anti-white racism doesn't exist" are activisty university types who are using a different definition that says racism is "prejudice backed up with power", the latter of which non-white groups wouldn't have by virtue of being marginalized. Which is true. White people don't suffer from institutional or structural racism, even though any one can be mean to someone based on their skin.

Some people even say it's 'cute' to hear when non-whites racially hate other non-whites

lmao what

i think you're just dealing with some out-of-touch people if they don't think there's hate that goes on between groups that aren't white.

I think more people than we're willing to admit believe only white people can have racial prejudices, mainly because they're not willing to think, or are so brainwashed by the liberal media.

I don't think you've ever spoken to anyone about these issues, tbqh.

[Aleister Granger]

No, you just misunderstand key points and arguments regarding white racism vs. racism coming from people of color.

I think I didn't use the right words. This is what I meant: America is screwy when it comes to race and many people assume it's black and white because Americans are largely conditioned against thinking of it in class terms.
Non-white racists are on the right track (they at least realize a bourgeois preference for those of European decent) but go too far and adopt the same reactionary bullshit ideology that white racists do, such as "white people were created by Dr. Satan in a lab". But in America, there are too many unfortunate implications in the idea of a non-white racist, in pop culture. I'm very sure the common America knows everyone regardless of race has the capacity for racism, but I doubt that most think about it in terms of class.
Some are even offended that class should be a part of it, pointing to the co-exist of rich whites and rich non-whites, without considering the social conditions that work against rich non-whites.

Hmm...

Actually, thinking about it, it makes more sense that some non-whites would adopt racist beliefs when you factor in all social conditions working against them such as racists and fascists being condemned by pop culture but ultimately given free reign otherwise when non-whites do not submit to white culture, but I still want to think that the reason that most Americans are so obsessed with race is because they're actually trying to focus on class but can't quite make that leap, because bourgeois propaganda has left discussion of class as being "anti-American." So racism, since it's so intrinsically tied to American culture, is basically a masked discussion of class with reactionary elements. Most non-white racists reject atheism, I've noticed, as do most white racists.

I'm wondering if there are any deeper insights into this.

[#FF0000]

Discerning anti-white hate groups, pop culture denies they exist because only whites can be racist in pop culture. Americans love pop culture, and the basic idea is that non-whites can't be racist. So the more lackadaisical, don't-wanna-think-about-it types just go with it

This would be immediately shattered by actually talking to someone though, because virtually anyone will tell you that black people can be racist against white people. But people don't talk about it or mention it in media because, surprise surprise, it's not an issue white people deal with beyond maybe running into a Black Israelite preaching on the corner.

EDIT: Ah, you edited your post but I think what I got here is still relevant to the new content.

[Aleister Granger]

This would be immediately shattered by actually talking to someone though, because virtually anyone will tell you that black people can be racist against white people. But people don't talk about it or mention it in media because, surprise surprise, it's not an issue white people deal with beyond maybe running into a Black Israelite preaching on the corner.

EDIT: Ah, you edited your post but I think what I got here is still relevant to the new content.

Yeah, I know. I'm really off my game today for some reason. It must've been that...

Anyway, what you said is what I'm trying to say, poorly. Americans acknowledge all forms of racism (though some can't imagine other forms), but in America, where whites and blacks form the ethnic majority but blacks are not considered privileged or form any meaningful part of the ruling class, blacks being racist towards whites is treated more like "revenge racism" or "reverse racism" than just "racism." Not that it's not treated like racism, just that it's treated as if it's a different kind of racism than white racism. I suppose it is, but I also suppose that racism is fucking racism, end of discussion!

Like I said, I've met some ignorant-ass Americans so what I said might fall apart with the crowd you crash with, but...