Because ironically, those said NRA nuts and their high ranking officials are usually tied with said tyrannical government.
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So the 2nd amendment is suppose to keep our government in check and prevent it from being all "tyrannical" correct ? So if an NRA activist (most likely white, upper middle class) is walking around an inner city area with an AR-15 "exercising his rights" while a black man is being racially profiled, harassed and even physically assaulted by a few police officers (something that happens quite a bit) how come they don't anything ? The police apparatus can kill somebody (usually a minority) and get a 3 weeks paid suspension and that's also something that happens quite often in the USA, isn't that considered "tyrannical" ? The courts aren't trying police officers fairly because their departments always cover their ass.
Our government has been stealing and privatizing earths resources, invading other countries and killing innocent people. Shouldn't we be using these guns to dethrone our government since it has already reached a tyrannical state ? (It maybe thinly veiled tyranny but still)
Because ironically, those said NRA nuts and their high ranking officials are usually tied with said tyrannical government.
I don't think the average NRA activists is upper middle class. A lot of conservative populist rhetoric in America appeals to the rural lower class.
Aside from that I'm not quite sure what kinds of responses you expect, I doubt anybody on a left wing forum will defend the NRA.
Negro victim of police brutality? I think you mean "thug".
As in Thuggee? That wouldn't make sense, because Negro doesn't connotate someone of Indian descent, and certainly I doubt they would be part of a secretive group of Hindi assassins.
The term 'thug' is used in English to mean 'violent person'. It derives from 'thugee' but is just a term of abuse, often used by right-wing politicians and newspapers to demonise members of the working class who resist arrest, damage property or otherwise go against bourgeois norms.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
White right-wingers in the US also use it as code for what's known as the N-word.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
That I didn't know. I shall look out for that in future.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
Probably because the NRA activist agrees with racial profiling and assault of black people. They don't have a problem with tyrannical governments, only tyrannical governments that harm their interests.
Excuse me sir, but I've studied, listened and tried to sing along to the collected works of Dr. S. 2pac, Thug 4 life, O.G., and renowned expert in the academic field of "thuggery". He quite clearly defined "Thug" as The Hate You Gave, ie someone who has gone through struggles, is going through the struggles and lives day to day with nothing for him because of the hate you, yes you my good sir, gave him.
Quite simply, a thug is a person who does what he has to do to survive.
thuglife baby, peace
Relevance?
The sub-cultural use of a term, especially one that has more than a century of history behind it, doesn't alter its meaning for those outside of that subculture. 2pac is a dead rapper, isn't he? That would be about the limit of my knowledge.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
So about the NRA- I respect their stance on wanting to stock up some guns to protect against a tyrannical government, but everything else about them is a gaggle of wtfs with lols thrown in.
I am absolutely sure I am not using those terms correctly but forgive me for I am not of the generation.
The mindset behind them is "Take their guns, but don't tread on me." When the thugs/n00000s do something criminal, they use it as proof that Africans have inferior brains and thus don't deserve their guns, but they, the glorious white man, do, for they are the masters of the universe.
OP was a troll but I think it bears mentioning that the original NRA started off as more of a sporty outfit, focused on ensuring access to hunting ranges and the related weaponry to be used there. At some point in the 70s there was an internal coup of sorts when a minor wing of their group forced themselves into control in response to the leadership of the NRA then agreeing to some gun control measures at the time. They took advantage of the rank-and-file members who had begun to develop dissatisfaction with the leadership they viewed as distant and unresponsive and molded the organization into one about broadly gun rights.
It's important to fix NRA's rise in US's political terrain, coming at a time when the right was on the upswing and there was a reaction against various Liberal political points ranging from welfare to civil rights to feminism, what ever. With the crime wave in the late 70s and 80s this really helped them get recruits and tied the group alongside the "victim's rights" movement and later tried to give it political footing by trying to act like liberty-concerned citizens who'd act against tyranny at any notice.
Most of the people on the NRA come off as nutters anyways. For all their talk about being against oppression and guns as key to independence from state tyranny, I don't doubt that many of them would be fine with state brutality as long as it is acted against minorities and other people they think "deserve" it, while they can remain in their cushy suburbs or faux-rural communities acting like they are scions of liberty. Honestly even though some of the lolbertarian nuts go on about oppression and tyranny, most of its members seem to be fixated on preventing crime and have a very black and white view on crime (maybe not incoincidental objectivism has an appeal because of that).
Here is an article about the history and development of the NRA from its hobby/sport origins into the more political oriented group we are familiar with today. It has a liberal slant but it charts its evolution quite well.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...d15_story.html
All-in-all though I'd say the NRA is among the most successful (if not the most...) lobby/interest group in the US at the present. While there are some business interests tied to it (from obvious sources like the arms industry), it has claim to a lot of spontaneous support that it can call upon. The group has a combination of both sheer membership numbers and political ties and lawyers which make an interest group successful.
Why do you think the OP was a troll?
I find it sickening personally when I hear the argument that guns are necessary to defend the citizen's rights against the government. The only right Americans have that most Europeans don't is the right to bear arms. So you need guns, to stop the government taking your guns. Meanwhile your cops are armed, and Americans are 40 times more likely to be shot dead than (say) Brits. And yet, magically, this has nothing to do with the availability of hand-guns. And, hardly ever are these gun deaths anything to do with people defending themselves from the government, either it's some store-owner, or someone going to rob the store, or some kid who was picked on by a total piece of shit like Zimmerman.
Is it worth it? You'd have to kill a lot of bourgeoisie to make up for the hecatomb of American proletarians who are dead as a result of your national fetishism for guns.
Critique of the Gotha Programme, Pt IV: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch04.htm
No War but the Class War
Destroy All Nations
Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC): "A man whose life has been dishonorable is not entitled to escape disgrace in death."
The white American obsession with guns comes as a result of the fact that the nation was founded and expanded through European oppression and dominance of people of color...with guns. Guns in America have been tools and natives and Africans have been problems that were to be solved with guns. Many still think and act as such, the Trayvon Martin case is a prime example of that, as are the numerous cases of summary police execution of black and latino youth by agents of bourgeois and racist law enforcement. What they can't lock up, they kill.
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I don't have a problem with guns. I used to do a lot of target and trap shooting in high school for fun. However, the gun culture in the US is full of all sorts of reactionary idiots. I wish there was some sort of leftist shooting club but that is probably just a pipe dream
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Actually, there was an incident awhile back where some Internet libertarians started a legal defense fund for a guy (in Texas, I think) who was black and shot a cop that mistakenly busted down his door while not identifying himself as a cop - i.e., the guy justifiably thought that the cop was a home invader. It didn't amount to anything - the guy's still either doing life without parole or on death row - and it seemed like a pretty obvious stunt specifically designed for some libertarians to prove they aren't racist, but at the time I had to give those individual right-wingers a little credit for being consistent.
edit: Also, there was the incident where Tupac came across a couple guys harassing a black motorist and shot them both in the legs with an AK-47. They turned out to be offduty cops and he still got off scot-free. That's an exception to the rule, obviously, but still a fucking awesome story.
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I feel so much more free now that I can cock this M4A4 around town!
Lovely country, where there are laws permitting people to carry and start unloading killing machines whenever a violent argument erupts.
I'm not completely anti-gun either. I haven't shot one in years (and I suck) but they can be fun. Lately I've been thinking that instead of outlawing certain weapons outright, they could restrict them to clubs where the members pass background checks and the weapons aren't kept in a private home but in a safe on club property. Then you could justify more firepower than just a hunting rifle.I don't have a problem with guns. I used to do a lot of target and trap shooting in high school for fun. However, the gun culture in the US is full of all sorts of reactionary idiots. I wish there was some sort of leftist shooting club but that is probably just a pipe dream
What I don't like are disingenuous arguments about personal and public safety from people carrying around guns. I've been robbed at gunpoint. There's no way I could have done anything with a concealed weapon except get myself killed trying to draw it.
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It's because when they talk about the "Government" they mean they don't like anything public related like schools, water, libraries, food stamps, social security, etc and plus it has everything to do with the USian ideology of the "Self-Made Man" without any interference of any kind and not only that, it's also a veiled attack on the proletariat as well who actually need those things to survive. So the "tyrannical government" is simply a falsehood since we leftists identify the problem being capitalism instead.
