In terms of their defense of privilege, yeah. But WS groups are often extremely violent and are also, sometimes, crime rackets. I don't think the MRA is that far long. They're just a bunch of dumb meatheads.
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MRA = white supremacy?
Would it be fair to label men's rights activists on a par with white supremacists in terms of defence of privilege?
Should society register the same level of disgust towards both?
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.
Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth."
In terms of their defense of privilege, yeah. But WS groups are often extremely violent and are also, sometimes, crime rackets. I don't think the MRA is that far long. They're just a bunch of dumb meatheads.
I dunno, quite a few rapists as well. Plus, I'd imagine the WS and MRA have quite a bit of crossover...
"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. There can be no peace so long as hunger and want are found among millions of the working people and the few, who make up the employing class, have all the good things of life.
Between these two classes a struggle must go on until the workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the means of production, abolish the wage system, and live in harmony with the Earth."
There's probably some overlap and with the statistics that we know regarding m-on-f rape, there is likely quite a few rapists of them in the MRA movement, agreed, but I don't think MRAs have organized campaigns around raping people the way WS groups have had organized campaigns of harassment and violence. The MRA apologia, often times, for rape filters under "defense of privilege" imv.
They defend privilege, so in that sense they are similar.
What happened to the marxist analysis of society?
Feminism is a response to patriarchy.
MRA is a response to women divorcing a man and taking half his money, which is fucking robbery. Or women nearly always getting control of kids. Or men having to pay women for the rest of their life but doing nothing but marrying them.
I think MRA will cease when Tiger woods and Kobe Bryant can send their ex wives to prison for 20 years for robbery.
thesis-patriachy
antithesis-women robbing men and stealing their children
synthesis-people chilling the fuck out
It obviously get caught up in a nasty infatuation with the likes of Kobe Bryant and Tiger Woods.
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"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
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I'd say that 99% of "men's rights" activists would find common cause with 99% of white supremacists. Historically, male chauvinism and white ethnic chauvinism have gone hand in hand. Both seek to maintain their privilege at others' expense.
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We already have feminism, which although it's name might not indicate so, is for equal rights.
But it has frequently been hijacked by feminine chauvanists/sexists.
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It's name indicates clearly so. Women objectively have less political and social rights and representation than men in the majority of the world. Feminism seeks to promote womens' rights and part of that is combatting gender roles.
To imply that feminism is against equality is to buy into the myth that women already have these rights and representations in modern society.
Feminism isn't against equailty, but there are some women and maybe even some men that will use the term to promote their chauvanism.
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These elusive "some women" seem to crop up quite a lot in discussions about feminism, but I haven't met a single feminist who wanted female supremacy.
"Her development, her freedom, her independence must come from and through herself. First, by asserting herself as a personality, and not as a sex commodity. Second, by refusing the right to anyone over her body; by refusing to bear children unless she wants them; by refusing to become a servant to God, the State, society, the husband, the family, etc. ... by freeing herself from the fear of public opinion and public condemnation. Only that, and not the ballot, will set woman free, will make her a force hitherto unknown in the world, a force for real love, for peace, for harmony; a force of divine fire, of life-giving; a creator of free men and women."~ Emma Goldman
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Well, for example with the abortion issue, there are people who think that every legislator that is against abortion must be a man.
And they often think that men shouldn't be allowed to vote on such an issue.
But they won't take into account that not all women are pro-abortion either.
And would they even acknowledge that a man is pro-abortion?
You are asking who, well I do not know of anybody on this board or that is famous off the top of my head that is a feminine chauvanist.
But from my personal life, there was one from my town who I disagreed with on facebook.
there's some weirdo spirtualist "goddess feminist" who thinks weird things out loud on youtube but that's the only one i can think of.
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I am not accusing actual feminists.
But whop are you accusing? You talk as if you ran across a real example of female chauvinism or something like it.
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"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
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Um, because I have.
A woman, an accquintance from when I was highschool on facebook.
Neither have I. The general practice of MRA's seems to be to criticize everyone that is against patriarchy and deconstructing gender roles as being in favor of eventual matriarchy and female dominance. We see the same thing when racists attack social progress of people of color. They can't comprehend the fact that we don't want to dominate or oppress anyone, we want to stop being dominated and oppressed and want measures taken to remedy the results of centuries of domination and oppression.
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