Greek National Socialists fighting for Assad in Syria

[Le Socialiste]

Interesting interview regarding the composition of forces supporting Assad, which includes members of a far-right fascist organization based in Greece. Haven't really heard of this group before, has anyone else?

Syria: The Greek National Socialists that are fighting alongside Assad's regime are far more dangerous than Golden Dawn

Believe it or not there is a far more dangerous extreme right group in Greece besides Golden Dawn. It's name is Black Lily and they are a Nationalist Socialist organisation that organise themselves in a non hierarchical, horizontal, democratic platform structure but without democratic aims or ideas in mind!

A little insight on them can be read in the following interview contacted a couple of months ago by a journalist for the right/far right Greek daily “Democratia”!

They are hard line National Socialists. They do not hesitate to use guns to defend their ideological believes. They produce propaganda and they do not hesitate to use direct action as means of highlighting their politics.

They co ordinate their actions through their blog "Mavros Krinos" (Black Lily) http://mavroskrinos.blogspot.gr/ On June 15th they organise such an action using this blog and attack - bathing him with some fizzy drink - minister of Greek government Evangelos Venizelos in Paris, on their blog they claimed responsibility for the action right after the attack by stating that the attacker was a "Greek autonomous National Socialist comrade" of theirs. In Syria members of "Black Lily" are not using words or bathing people with cans of fizzy drinks.

In Syria they are armed and dangerous. A whole platoon of volunteers are fighting side by side with Assad's government forces."Democratia" newspaper journalist Panagiotis Liakos contacted Stavros Libovisis member of the editorial group of "Black Lily" and in an interview asked him about the involvement and role of the organisation in the Syrian conflict and received some very interesting answers.
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What is the name of the collective you represent? And what's it's role in the creation of the Greek volunteer force fighting on Assad's side in Syria?

The collectives name that I represent is ' Black Lily " a Greek National Socialist organisation with autonomous running and structure. We have been in touch with our Syrian brothers in arms for years now and that has played an important role in our today's presence fighting along their side.

How many fighters are currently reside in Syria? Are they there fighting out of ideological motivation or they are just mercenaries?

When you feel deep inside you the sense that you belong somewhere your motivation and presence there can be only in purely ideological grounds, money does not come into play what so ever. Therefore the only reason for us to be there fighting alongside our Syrian brothers in arms is to help them defend the soil of a friendly nations people, showing our solidarity in practise against an age-old foe. The Greeks volunteers is estimated to be the size of a platoon, to answer the first part of your question.

What is their social and professional background? Do they have any experience on any other armed struggle the likes of Iraq, Kosovo, Afganistan?

Working class Citizens army highly politicised that reject corrupt party politics and at the same time understand very well the plans of international authority and global loan sharks. On the second part of the question, they have not been participated on any other armed struggle in recent years.

Have they seen any action and if yes have they got any casualties?

Since 2011 that the capitalist web start constructed around the body of proud Syria, fighters from all over Europe joined the ranks in of the Syrian Army and Civil Defence in mass, among them many Greeks. Greek fighters have participated in all major battles that commenced in South and West of the country the last two years and so far no casualties have been reported. It's not a coincidence that in the fierce battle that took place in Al-Quasar beside the praise for the heroic Hezbollah, the Greek fighters received credit for their bravery as well.

How the local population sees your presence there? What is their thoughts of Greece in general?

Syria has been named besides South Italy, "Great Greece" and the feelings of the ordinary Syrian people cannot been described in a couple of lines. A massive part of the population is of Greek extraction and is very disappointing that no one cared to support them all these years from the Greek corrupt state.

Regarding the Syrian Christian Orthodox that are chased by the Islamists fundamentalists, have they help with the armed struggle against the rebels?

Syria is a mosaic of nationalities and religions that the Baath party successfully protected during the years of Hazef al-Asaad and Bashar al-Asaad. The majority of the Syrian people - including the reports of Western governments- supports the regime and rejects the plans of the bloodthirsty imperialists that want to turn the country into a capitalist brothel and a market for the likes of McDonald's and Starbucks. Syrian orthodox are fighting in the front line for a free nationalist Syria and they are distinguished for their bravery on counter attacking the intoxicated addicts of the mercenary Salafists of Al-Qaeda.

What's the reason for the conflict in Syria to your opinion? What you think is going to be the outcome?

This is just another episode in the expanding global dictatorship of the American-Zionist war machine after the collapse of the USSR and there is a good chance Syria to be it's first geopolitical defeat since the Vietnam war. Some of the reasons for conflict is the protection of the murderous Israeli state interests, the race for the exploitation of the rich natural resources of the area and the hate of the Emirs of the gulf for Syria among other things. The Syrian people at the end will prevail because they are on the defence of nation and truth!

In the groups of volunteers ( or mercenaries) are lots of Europeans. How many are they?And are they coming from nationalist or extreme-right wing parties and organisations?

The exact number of European fighters here is hard to pin point, but in recent times thousands of Russians, Ukrainians and Pols declared themselves ready to fight alongside the "The Lion of Syria" i.e Bashar al-Assad. We distance ourselves from the term "extreme right" for all these people, because traditionally the "bourgeoisie extreme right" has no connection with national-revolutionary ideas. Indeed some Europeans participate and support parties and various movements of the so called "Nationalist Autonomy".

Are they any US volunteers on Assad's side?

We do not know if they are any US citizens on the side of the Nationalist army, but we know for a fact that they are plenty of these cannibal fighters on the side of the so called "Free Syrian Army".

On the battle that took place in Al-Qusayr we found loads of ID documents and passports on the dead bodies of the compatriots of Barack Obama, that fellow that is so admired by Mrs Rena Dourou of SYRIZA.

For all these that you've heard that happened in Syria so far, what is the incident that shock you the most? Have they been any massacres that we haven't watched in the western media?

The drama of the Syrian people brings in memory the suffering of the Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis and Serbians with the thousands of casualties in the previous decades a result of the actions of the Wall street "hawks" and the American-Zionist foreign policy. It's unbelievable how quiet has been the Greek Orthodox church of Archbishop Ieronymos and Patriarch Bartolomiou on the continuous pledges for help by the Syrian Orthodox people. Everyday civilians and prisoners are sadistically executed , women and children are being raped, towns and villages set on fire only because they refuse to accept the imposed Sari ah law of the mercenaries of Qatar and Saudi Arabia and for all these atrocities you won't hear a word on any western radio or television.

What do you think will be the fate of the kidnapped Syrian Orthodox bishops?

We find it quiet hard to believe that they will survive the uncontrollable mania of the mercenaries, the western media often hide the tragic end of that kind of incidents because they are afraid of the reaction of religious communities and at the same time expose the people behind the plans of a wider explosion of violence in the wider Middle east area. We call all these people with open minds to support by all means the patriotic forces of Syria and understand that they have to ready themselves for the incoming storm that approaching towards them fast because of the plans of the local Zionist occupation government back home.

http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2...ists-that.html

[Misericordia]

OP, are you an idiot of some sort? I'm not trying to be offensive but I mean come on this article is such a piece of stinking shit a normal person wouldn't even consider posting it if they read it.

"Syria: The Greek National Socialists that are fighting alongside Assad's regime are far more dangerous than Golden Dawn"...really? They are more dangerous than a neo-Nazi organisazation that has half a million supporters in Greece(according to the 2012 elections, their number of supporters has probably increased this year) that engages in the most brutal and brazen acts of violence, a neo-Nazi organization with influential contacts and resources that has infiltrated every police station and every army barracks in Greece? The only claim that supposedly justifies this absurd assertion is the fact that in June of this year, these "Black Lily" characters sprayed a PASOK minister with some soda in Paris. So apparently PETA is 20 times more dangerous than the Golden Dawn.

Oh actually there is another claim; namely, that they have a platoon fighting in Syria on the side of the Syrian Arab Army, the National Defense Forces, Hezbollah, etc. There is no evidence whatsoever for this but let's pretend it's a credible claim. Do you know what a platoon is? 20-30 people. The writer of the asinine nonsense in the OP clearly doesn't know what a platoon is, look at him go:

A whole platoon of volunteers are fighting side by side with Assad's government forces

A whole fucking platoon guys. Yesterday 30 al-Qai'dah rats were killed in Mayda'aa, Damascus. Before yesterday 21 were killed in Judayda, Aleppo. In Al-Shuray'ah Orchards, Hama, 20 were killed and captured. Numerous platoons of these rats are exterminated on a daily basis. A platoon of Greek foreigers if supposed to be impressive? In August, during their August 16-19 counter-offensive in Latakia, the Syrian Arab Army exterminated close to a thousand foreign rats from the SIF Al-Nusra Front and the ISIS. 168 rebel corpses were recovered from the Abu-Ashi'yaa range alone on the 18th.

The Syrian Army has close to 200,000 men. Another 300,000 reservists are available. Militia and paramilitary account for 200,000 more, though reservists and paramilitary/militia overlap, some bullshit about 20-30 Greeks doesn't make for an "interesting interview about the composition of" pro-governement forces.

Syria is a mosaic of nationalities and religions that the Baath party successfully protected during the years of Hazef al-Asaad and Bashar al-Asaad. The majority of the Syrian people - including the reports of Western governments- supports the regime and rejects the plans of the bloodthirsty imperialists that want to turn the country into a capitalist brothel and a market for the likes of McDonald's and Starbucks. Syrian orthodox are fighting in the front line for a free nationalist Syria and they are distinguished for their bravery on counter attacking the intoxicated addicts of the mercenary Salafists of Al-Qaeda.

So basically they claim they are fighting against imperialism and for multi-culturalism in Syria. They even have those silly anarchist ACAB posters on their blog:



These supposed far-right extremists are more leftist than most Trots and Anarchists. Tell me again how many Western Trots or Anarchists, who never stop raving about how much they love their Syrian revolution, have volunteered to fight in Syria on the side of the FSA or the Kurdish YPG? Zero? Oh well.

Did you really think that this stupidity would distract from the fact that in the last week close to 70 thousand rebel rats(including the three groups which made up the vast majority of the so-called "moderate" FSA: the Suqour- al-Sham Brigade, the Liwa al-Islam brigade and the Al-Tawhiid Brigade) broke with the FSA/SNC/"moderate leadership" and founded an Islamist coalition which calls for an Islamic Emirate in Syria with "an Islamic framework…based on Shari'ah' as the sole source of legislation". And you question the composition of Assad's forces? I'll take secular center-left nationalists over Bin Ladinites any day of the week.

[Misericordia]

Secular feminist socialist hero-revolutionaries of the revolutionary Free Syrian Army liberating Syria from Assad's Greek worse-than-golden-dawn fascists:

[Comrade Jacob]

It's probably because Assad is white.

[el mosquito]

Interesting interview regarding the composition of forces supporting Assad, which includes members of a far-right fascist organization based in Greece. Haven't really heard of this group before, has anyone else?



http://glykosymoritis.blogspot.com/2...ists-that.html

They sound more leftist to me than neo-nazis. Lmao they fight against terrorism and US imperialism, what do you call that?

[Sea]

Secular feminist socialist hero-revolutionaries of the revolutionary Free Syrian Army liberating Syria from Assad's Greek worse-than-golden-dawn fascists:

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I guess maybe it's not friendly to say "fuck off" and leave.

Please fuck off. Take your strasserist sympathies with you. Take your mockery and your moaning complaints, and never ever come back.

[bcbm]

These supposed far-right extremists are more leftist

i guess if you consider autonomous nationalists 'leftist,' which doesn't really make any sense at all. many of them also support the palestinian cause...

because they hate jews. try to dig a little deeper than their rhetoric.

Western Trots or Anarchists, who never stop raving about how much they love their Syrian revolution

i can't speak about trots since i don't know them or read their publications but i can't think of any anarchists who 'never stop raving' about the syrian 'revolution.'

[adipocere]

OP, are you an idiot of some sort? I'm not trying to be offensive but I mean come on this article is such a piece of stinking shit a normal person wouldn't even consider posting it if they read it.

The OP is not an idiot. He knows what he's doing.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yeah, and chechens are fighting along the side of Al Nusrah and throwing up Swastikas in Syria. half the shit going on makes no sense. this isnt a joke either. (at 10 minutes, start)

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

They sound more leftist to me than neo-nazis. Lmao they fight against terrorism and US imperialism, what do you call that?

Uhm, you know that the Nazis fought against terrorism and US Imperialism too, right? That whole WW2 thing? The idea that you can prove that someone doesn't have a fascist ideology on those two traits alone is just silly.

[Le Socialiste]

They sound more leftist to me than neo-nazis. Lmao they fight against terrorism and US imperialism, what do you call that?

If these are the only two criteria by which you evaluate whether one qualifies as fascist or not, you need to seriously reevaluate your definition of fascism (or at least read up more about the historical trajectory of fascism in countries where it would eventually take hold, Italy and Germany being two notable examples). I'd recommend this book for further insight.

[Tifosi]

Is this the group associated with the "Mavros Krinos" blog?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Adventures in postmodernism

[Hrafn]

OP, are you an idiot of some sort? I'm not trying to be offensive but I mean come on this article is such a piece of stinking shit a normal person wouldn't even consider posting it if they read it.

So basically they claim they are fighting against imperialism and for multi-culturalism in Syria. They even have those silly anarchist ACAB posters on their blog:



These supposed far-right extremists are more leftist than most Trots and Anarchists. Tell me again how many Western Trots or Anarchists, who never stop raving about how much they love their Syrian revolution, have volunteered to fight in Syria on the side of the FSA or the Kurdish YPG? Zero? Oh well.

I made an account to reply to this post. That's how bothered I am by it. These aren't "silly anarchist posters". A.C.A.B. is frequently used in prison terminology, and among football ultras, skinheads, and so on. It is also very popular among Fascists and Nazis. Not just the left-wing scene, hence.

[CyM]

They sound more leftist to me than neo-nazis. Lmao they fight against terrorism and US imperialism, what do you call that?

So we're going to start cheering on Neo-Nazis who fight US imperialism now? I missed thwt memo. I'm not sure that's the kind of left I want to be a part of.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

So we're going to start cheering on Neo-Nazis who fight US imperialism now? I missed thwt memo. I'm not sure that's the kind of left I want to be a part of.

Hear, hear!

Misercordia, please check your third-positionist nonsense.

The working class is international - the interimperialist war playing itself out in Syria is already a defeat for the working class, whether it's won by Sino-Russian Ba'ath Fascists or American-backed "rebels" and their fascistic Islamist allies.

As for Greek the fascists, it's nice to know there are people shooting at them, even if those people are little better.

[Misericordia]

i guess if you consider autonomous nationalists 'leftist,' which doesn't really make any sense at all. many of them also support the palestinian cause...

Autonomous nationalists are a syncretic group that combines elements of both the far-left and the far-right. And I didn't call them leftist, I said they are more leftist than whatever passes for Trotskyists today. Meaning both are worthless idiots.

because they hate jews. try to dig a little deeper than their rhetoric.

Antisemitism in Greece? I haven't heard of any antisemitic incidents in Greece in the last few years. Probably because there is no sizeable Jewish minority in Greece, or because Greek fascists don't bother with pogroms against Jews as they do with pogroms against Turks, Arabs, Africans, etc.

i can't speak about trots since i don't know them or read their publications but i can't think of any anarchists who 'never stop raving' about the syrian 'revolution.'

I'm talking about Anarchists on RevLeft. I've even seen them soliciting money/donations for the rebels.

[Misericordia]

I made an account to reply to this post. That's how bothered I am by it. These aren't "silly anarchist posters". A.C.A.B. is frequently used in prison terminology, and among football ultras, skinheads, and so on. It is also very popular among Fascists and Nazis. Not just the left-wing scene, hence.

So, silly anarchist-fascist-nazi-skinhead posters? I'm sorry I don't dabble in these idiotic sub-cultures to know enough about their imagery.

So we're going to start cheering on Neo-Nazis who fight US imperialism now? I missed thwt memo. I'm not sure that's the kind of left I want to be a part of.

Most of the left in West cheers on Bin Ladenites that are fighting for American, Israeli, Turkish and Saudi-Qatari imperialism in Syria. So? It's like you're saying the left could sink even lower.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Stop using revleft as a stand-in for a real community, its weird.

[Misericordia]

The working class is international - the interimperialist war playing itself out in Syria is already a defeat for the working class, whether it's won by Sino-Russian Ba'ath Fascists or American-backed "rebels" and their fascistic Islamist allies.

If this working class is as international as you say it is then certainly the War in Syria is a victory for it? The Syrian section is suffering, but the Algerian, Bahraini, Egyptian, Iraqi, Jordanian, Kuwaiti, Lebanese, Libyan, Mauritanian, Moroccan, Omanese, Palestinian, Qatar, Saudi, Somalian, Sudanese, Tunisian, Emirati and Yemeni and dozens of other sections of the international working class are benefiting given that their ranks are being cleansed of dozens of thousands of Bin Ladenite fascists that are leaving for Syria and ending up in 6 feet under in mass graves?

If I was a communist Greek worker living in Greece, I would rejoice to see the flower of the Golden Dawn cadres going off to a far-away land to die with nothing to show for it, to give an example.