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    Hi. On facebook i have had libertarian socialist as my political wiev for over a year without getting so into depth on it. What is different between this and liberal socialism? Im against class struggle and want socialism. Im for pepole doing whatever with their private life without any authorities controlling. I think you shuld be able to marry who/ whatever you want, and all of that. Im against narionalism and religion to have anything to do with politics. I think pepole shuldnt go to jail for something that dosent harm others. And im for legalixing marijuanah. Im also really socialist/ communist or whatever. Am i a libertarian socialist? Where on the political scale am i?
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    Libertarian socialism exists. So you're probably that.
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    Im against class struggle and want socialism.
    This is an incompatible position. In order to achieve socialism you need a class struggle.
    Do me a favor, and unlike I acknowledge Class Warfare Exists.
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    "Libertarian socialist" is an umbrella term for a variety of socialist tendencies such as anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, council communism, libertarian marxism, etc.

    "Liberal socialism" I'm not sure about - perhaps it is some kind of reformist socialism?
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    Liberal socialism typically supports parliamentary democracy and often sees the economy as being properly state-led but not comprehensively planned, such that cooperatives and other smaller organizations can also compete. It is based on a bourgeois worldview that sees production relations in terms of autonomous organizations rather than social classes.
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    Hi. On facebook i have had libertarian socialist as my political wiev for over a year without getting so into depth on it. What is different between this and liberal socialism? Im against class struggle and want socialism. Im for pepole doing whatever with their private life without any authorities controlling. I think you shuld be able to marry who/ whatever you want, and all of that. Im against narionalism and religion to have anything to do with politics. I think pepole shuldnt go to jail for something that dosent harm others. And im for legalixing marijuanah. Im also really socialist/ communist or whatever. Am i a libertarian socialist? Where on the political scale am i?
    Comrade - taking a position "against" the class struggle makes as much sense as taking a position against tides. The class struggle is a necessary feature of class society; those who think it can be ameliorated in some form are really, often despite their best intentions, struggling on the side of the bourgeoisie. The class struggle can only be abolished through the most intense forms of class struggle culminating in revolution and the destruction of class society.

    Most socialists are "libertarian" in the sense that we oppose bourgeois legal and cultural norms, and the special oppression of women, LGBT people etc. "Libertarian socialists", though, are called "libertarian" because they wish to abolish the state immediately, whereas "authoritarian" socialists think that a transitional class dictatorship of the proletariat is necessary.

    I assume that by "socialism" you mean the communist society, not social-democracy in the modern sense?
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    I think the OP means they support the working class in the class struggle, they are against the bosses' class struggle.
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    I'm pretty sure "liberal socialism" is about as socialist as "anarcho-capitalism" is anarchist.

    Socialism is directly opposed to the idiocy of liberalism and anyone that tells you otherwise is most likely an idiot.

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    I don't really know if Liberal Socialism holds any real water as a concrete ideology. What would differentiate it from social democracy, especially of the sort that was common before WW II and some decades afterwards? Especially if we're operating on it being accommodating to parliamentary democracy and working in a system of state-run enterprises.

    "Libertarian Socialism" seems to be an umbrella for groups more influenced by anarchism or at least profess to be against state-based solutions. As far as I've been told "Libertarianism" itself was originally used to describe anarchist-leaning left groups before the term was co-opted by right-wing types.
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    i would call liberal socialism: social democracy.
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    I identify as a libertarian socialist. It's basically a synonym for anarchism. Anarchists aren't for "anarchy", which is just chaos, but think that any authority has to be justified. Some can, but most can't. Marijuana is a great example. You (and me ) smoking marijuana doesn't hurt or even affect anybody else if I do it in a responsible way, so I am the only one who can make the decision to smoke or not. If I want to put a picture of my cat on my desk at work, since I'm the only one who's going to be looking at it (except incidentally) it should only be my decision if I put the picture up (believe it or not, that's based on a real situation I witnessed, but it wasn't me and it wasn't a cat )
    "This is my test of character. There you have the despotic instinct of men. They do not like the cat because the cat is free, and will never consent to become a slave. He will do nothing to your order, as the other animals do." — Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

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