"Somalia is anarchist" trainwreck

[DROSL]

Brutus, a secret police is probably the antithesis of anarchism. Who will command this secret police? You? Oh, and don't come here and say I'm a liberal. There's no such thing as "anarchism" a.k.a. the rule of nothing. Humanity is weak, there's always someone who decides for a group. Anarchism is probably more of a reactionary doctrine rather than a progressive one, if you want to go back before antiquity, I'd order a time machine. There's no such thing as no state, I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but Humanity isn't enough mentaly advanced yet, to be able to direct itself. After all, we're just animals. And there's still learning to do. Everything works within a system, if there's no system, it's chaos. The rule of nature and its strongest beasts. If you want a good preview of your utopian society, here it is: Somalia. I'd give you a ticket for this wonderful location, if you promise you never come back. You lotus-eaters always fail.

[Skyhilist]

LOL Somalia, really? You think we're all an-caps here?

[DROSL]

Sorry Chomsky, since Somalia is probably the only hell hole in which anarchy was preserve for more than a year, I used it as an example. If you can find an other in which its successful, I'm all here. But since it has a 100% failure rate, I'm pretty positive Somalia is the Roman Empire of anarchist societies and as you can see, it isn't very glorious. Of course, you can construct yourself a people's militia and then kill the "people" that resist anarchy and chaos, but I'm still sure your militia won't last long as most people aren't dumb enough to believe this actual nonsense. With this kind of project you'd create something even far worst than any dictatorship, because let's be honest here, more than 90% of the population will be against you. Which makes you roughly 6.3 billion people to exterminate with your "people's militia", since a militia is about the size of a battalion, the maximum 500 members of your militia must kill at least 12,600,000 humans each. Good luck with your genocide.

[#FF0000]

Brutus, a secret police is probably the antithesis of anarchism. Who will command this secret police? You? Oh, and don't come here and say I'm a liberal. There's no such thing as "anarchism" a.k.a. the rule of nothing. Humanity is weak, there's always someone who decides for a group. Anarchism is probably more of a reactionary doctrine rather than a progressive one, if you want to go back before antiquity, I'd order a time machine. There's no such thing as no state, I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but Humanity isn't enough mentaly advanced yet, to be able to direct itself. After all, we're just animals. And there's still learning to do. Everything works within a system, if there's no system, it's chaos. The rule of nature and its strongest beasts. If you want a good preview of your utopian society, here it is: Somalia. I'd give you a ticket for this wonderful location, if you promise you never come back. You lotus-eaters always fail.

Full disclosure
I'm not an anarchist, and I have a lot of criticisms of anarchism.

You have no idea what you're talking about and need to seriously look at a book. I encourage you to do this before posting again because this post is extremely embarassing thanks to you total ignorance and unnecessary aggressiveness. There's a thing called the "anarchist faq" that you might want to look into.

[The Feral Underclass]

Sorry Chomsky, since Somalia is probably the only hell hole in which anarchy was preserve for more than a year, I used it as an example.

Could you please explain how Somalia is an example of anarchy?

[DROSL]

The Anarchist Tension, there's no government, which is the closest to anarchism the world will ever get.

[The Feral Underclass]

The Anarchist Tension, there's no government, which is the closest to anarchism the world will ever get.

The simple absence of government isn't what anarchy is. And for your information, the world has already been closer to anarchism than that, so your point is redundant.

There's no such thing as "anarchism" a.k.a. the rule of nothing

That isn't a definition of anarchism.

[#FF0000]

The Anarchist Tension, there's no government, which is the closest to anarchism the world will ever get.

Have you ever heard of the Communes during the Spanish Civil War?

[DROSL]

The anarchist tension, as I mentionned. Somalia is the closest thing to anarchism there is, and it's a failure. What do you want me to do? Create a fictional utopian country where everybody loves eachother and lives happy for ever? I'm a realist, I'll not invent something to make you feel anarchism is successful, because it isn't. I gave you Somalia, because it's the only country (Well, not even a country under international right) that fits the description of anarchism. It's like those pure-communists who come out and say The Soviet Union wasn't a communist state, well, it's probably the closest thing we had, ever.

"The simple absence of government isn't what anarchy is. And for your information, the world has already been closer to anarchism than that, so your point is redundant."

Please just indicate it to me. And I'd like an example where it was successful, where people didn't fight to death over bread and water...

[The Feral Underclass]

The anarchist tension, as I mentionned. Somalia is the closest thing to anarchism there is, and it's a failure.

Yes, I understand what you said and my response to you is that what happened in Somalia does not resemble anarchism on any level.

What do you want me to do?

Educate yourself.

Create a fictional utopian country where everybody loves eachother and lives happy for ever?

Also not what anarchists want.

I'm a realist, I'll not invent something to make you feel anarchism is successful, because it isn't.

You are not qualified to make statements about the successes or failurs of anarchism, since you don't know what anarchism is.

I gave you Somalia, because it's the only country (Well, not even a country under international right) that fits the description of anarchism.

But it doesn't fit the description of anarchism, that's the issue here.

"The simple absence of government isn't what anarchy is. And for your information, the world has already been closer to anarchism than that, so your point is redundant."

Please just indicate it to me. And I'd like an example where it was successful, where people didn't fight to death over bread and water...

It was successful in Spain and in the Ukraine and is currently being successful in Chiapas.

[#FF0000]

The anarchist tension, as I mentionned. Somalia is the closest thing to anarchism there is, and it's a failure

No. Somalia is nothing close to what anarchism is. I am going to ask you flat out and I'd appreciate it if you were honest: have you ever read anything about political anarchism, ever in your life?

Please just indicate it to me. And I'd like an example where it was successful, where people didn't fight to death over bread and water...

Anarchist communes in Spain. They were far from perfect, but they functioned fine.

[DROSL]

Have you ever heard of the Communes during the Spanish Civil War?

As I said, I'd like a place where it developed, not where it stagnated. You can answer Communes, but don't tell me they sent a man to the moon, because they didn't. They went back to antiquity, they lacked basic services and people lived in shitty houses where some died because of the poor quality of life.

[The Feral Underclass]

They went back to antiquity, they lacked basic services and people lived in shitty houses where some died because of the poor quality of life.

From where are you getting this information?

[#FF0000]

As I said, I'd like a place where it developed, not where it stagnated. You can answer Communes, but don't tell me they sent a man to the moon, because they didn't. They went back to antiquity, they lacked basic services and people lived in shitty houses where some died because of the poor quality of life.

Damn, son. Like I said, the communes had some big problems and left some big promises unfulfiled, but what you're saying here is flatly untrue.

Have you ever read a single thing about anarchist theory: yes or no?

[DROSL]

It was successful in Spain and in the Ukraine and is currently being successful in Chiapas.

Yes... I know a lot of Chiapas people that developed medicine treatments to fight cancer or any other kind of sickness.

[Skyhilist]

Also I'd prefer it if a mod could split all of the stuff started by DROSL's "Somalia is anarchist" bullshit because I don't want this thread to morph into that.

[The Feral Underclass]

Yes... I know a lot of Chiapas people that developed medicine treatments to fight cancer or any other kind of sickness.

So your measure of success is cancer medicine? That's weird...You understand, right, that humans invented cancer treatments, not abstract political ideas...

[#FF0000]

Yes... I know a lot of Chiapas people that developed medicine treatments to fight cancer or any other kind of sickness.

Cool shifting goal-posts. Went from "show me an anarchist society where people lived and thrived" to "show me an anarchist society where people cured aids"

One more time: have you ever read a single page of anarchist theory? Have you ever seriously engaged with the ideas you're talking about?

[DROSL]

Damn, son. Like I said, the communes had some big problems and left some big promises unfulfiled, but what you're saying here is flatly untrue.

Have you ever read a single thing about anarchist theory: yes or no?

I did, but none gave me a satisfying answer. All of you guys all levitate around "freedom", but what does freedom gives you in a society where people aren't able to provide themselves good care?

Have you ever read Odyssey IX? You should, great lesson for anarchist or any fantasy dreamers like you.

Try to learn more about lotophaguses.

[#FF0000]

I did

Liar.

Have you ever read Odyssey IX? You should, great lesson for anarchist or any fantasy dreamers like you.

I'm not an anarchist. I am very critical of anarchism. I am someone who knows what he is talking about.