I guess the death toll has risen...?
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?Arti...tegoryId=12395
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...centre-nairobi
'Innocent muslims'? You mean like the ones you tore from their homes, stole from, enslaved and raped, Al-Shabaab?
This is a bit shocking. I knew islamist sects were present in the Sahel region but I didn't know it happened that often with Kenya.
'despite being a comedy, there's a lot of truth to this, black people always talking shit behind white peoples back. Blacks don't give a shit about white, why do whites give them so much "nice" attention?'
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EARTH FOR THE EARTHLINGS - BULLETS FOR THE NATIVISTS
I guess the death toll has risen...?
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?Arti...tegoryId=12395
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Not to sound crass, but it is interesting how much media coverage this terrorist attack in Kenya on an upscale shopping mall is generating over say...the daily terror bombings in Iraq that have left over 700 dead just in this month. In fact, between 70-92 people were killed on Saturday and the word just kept spinning...
Oh wait: "Foreign Secretary William Hague said there are "undoubtedly British nationals" caught up in the siege" and precious white lives have been threatened. doh
I would expect that if there are British nationals there. They would be more likely to be black, and of Kenyan descent than white.
Devrim
Judging by the many photo galleries there appears to be a fairly large number of people who were present who are arguably not of Kenyan descent. I'm not saying that these people Hague was referring to were necessarily white, or that all of the blonde haired blue eyed people fleeing in the photos are British but...
From wikipedia:"Europeans in Kenya primarily consist of descendants of British colonials. Many are of aristocratic descent and still continue to wield significant influence, especially over Kenya's political elite. Britons and other Europeans in Kenya have also traditionally dominated the local business community"
I really think this has something to do with "why we care"
What makes you think that? The mall was partly targeted because it's popular with expats and foreign employees working in embassies etc.
Is it just me or does this guy sound completely fucking insane?Originally Posted by article
"to become a philosopher, start by walking very slowly"
I'm half waiting for some pathetic Maoist Third Worldist to come here and proclaim this to be a noble act of anti imperialist resistance.
I think we should give warrantless speculation about the ethnic and class composition of the victims a rest until we know more.
Also we should always stand against violence done in the name of/justified by religious reactionary ideology. Yes the victims might be more likely to be foreign or wealthy but they weren't the people repressing the workers and peasants of Somalia.
Socialist Party of Outer Space
All Al-Shabaab really is is just a fascistic islamist sect trying to claw it's way into the horn of Africa for the glory of Saudi imperialism, takingsex slaveswives at gunpoint, whipping muslim moderates and non-muslims, making connections with the oil kingdoms and all that. I can't see how even a MTW crackpot could be that stupid.
Another discussion for another time please. If you want to talk about what you perceive to be bias between two events in the media, please make a thread about it.
'despite being a comedy, there's a lot of truth to this, black people always talking shit behind white peoples back. Blacks don't give a shit about white, why do whites give them so much "nice" attention?'
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I found myself very affected by this, more so than a bombing in Pakistan. I don't know exactly why, I certainly didn't know about the high number of foreigners there beforehand, but maybe because the media brought it in such a manner (for instance I was watching RT a few years back and they brought a breaking story of bombings in Russia, and I was affected by this as well, then I told my parents if they knew what happened and they kinda shrugged -- was it the media's format in which they brought the news?)
It's also common that interest in a situation diminishes as it drags on (e.g. Syrian civil war) so Iraq or Pakistan are regarded as 'yet another one of those bombings' whereas in Kenya this is a unique occurrence.
I also found that seeing a news report on Kurdish female fighters in Syria had a tighter grip on me than other violence in Syria because they looked like they could sit next to you on the bus.
It's psychologically more likely to emphatise with people of the same social identity, so Africans walking around in jeans, sneakers, and in a familiar surrounding (shopping mall), or Kurdish females with sneakers and jeans and ponytails wielding AK-47s is more likely to affect you.
The question of selective interest in particular situations is more complex than the straightforward "because whites are more important." (while certainly it factors into the similar or same social identity).
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As if things weren't bad enough for Somalis living in Kenya as it was, this is some great PR
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
Great PR for who exactly?
No one? Or al shabaab I guess, in case you forgot they were still around.
Man is but a goat in the hands of butchers
Good pr for Kenyans who hate Somalis, a population which isn't negligible from what I've read
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
He was being sarcastic, the Somali refugee population inside Kenya is already very marginalized and this will likely further it. There was a lot of scapegoating along these lines after the US embassy bombing in the 90s towards the broader Muslim community (you're making Kenya look bad to the world!). Kenya's economy as it is, it draws Somalis trying to leave the chaos in Somalia, but their increasing size has opened up the usual hate from nativist-type politics.
Kenya already has some ethnic and religious divides (while the last election was free of violence, the one before that was pretty bad) so events like this don't help to that, lets demagogues take advantage of it and further sectarianism.
Predictably, vomit inducing op-eds begin to be churned out.
Note that in this display of breathtaking vulgarity, the author is using the opportunity to promote her fascist fantasy novel.
List of attackers provided by Al-Shabab's twitter before the account was locked:
http://ojihad.wordpress.com/2013/09/...cked-westgate/
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"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Death toll is over 60 now. One of the witnesses who was there described a really surreal scene with mall muzak playing over speakers, interspersed periodically with gunfire and screaming.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."