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Are you pro-choice or pro-life?
a simple question
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Last edited by Comrade Jacob; 26th October 2013 at 17:39.
Really now, you're on a commie forum asking this; exactly what kind of reaction are you hoping to get?
Personally, I'm pro-life. There must be no death on this planet. Lock arms and block cemeteries.
It's called "anti-choice", "pro life" is a reactionary sugarcoating.
I'm vehemently against making reactionary laws inspired by bourgeois religion to impact a person's right to do whatever they damn well please with their body, and everybody here probably believes the same.
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I'm "pro life" because a fetus isn't really alive. Yeah its cells are alive, bacteria is alive, plants are alive, but killing them isn't "anti-life". Those are unlike humans and other animals which are all sentient. So I'm strongly pro-choice.
Edit: Also, of course, the communist system will save many people's lives as well from the effects of class society. Of course, removing the effects of class society will also greatly decrease the number of abortions even needed. As communists, we are the most "pro life", more so than any crazy religious person.
Last edited by Fourth Internationalist; 26th July 2013 at 05:40.
Not really. I don't think you'll find many "pro-lifers" on this forum, if they haven't already been banned or restricted.
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Pro-choice all the way. No ifs, ands or buts.
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I think one of Semendyaev's blog posts dealt with this. Communists will always be pro-choice, because we vehemently oppose bourgeois morality. Who is anybody to say what a woman can and can't do with her body?
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Yes if you're Fox News. "Pro-life"? Really? Cut the crap and call it what it what it is: "anti-abortion". How the hell can you be "pro-life" when you oppose abortion but accept the death penalty?
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There's absolutely no question to be asked here: communists must be unwaveringly committed to the struggle for women's liberation, a fight that necessarily entails the right to choose (i.e. abortion). We oppose any and all attempts to limit or infringe on these rights, not merely because they arise out of some bourgeois sense of morality, but because the struggle for free and open access to abortion (and women's ability to control their own bodies) confronts - oftentimes subtly, sometimes openly - the built-in sexism that's been perpetuated throughout the whole of the capitalist system. Anyone who questions a woman's right to control her own body should be told why and how they're wrong - and if they persist in giving voice to these questions, be dealt with accordingly.
Edit - I see someone voted for "life - always." If they're so committed to such a stance, perhaps they'd be willing to defend it openly?
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Pro choice.
To be quite honest I am not too sure what reaction you are expecting to get out of this.
Damn near everyone will respond as pro choice, or rightly so risk restriction.
What 'communist' would vote for anything other than 'choice- always'?
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I voted pro-choice. Is it really even necessary to defend this position here?
Anyone who voted for anything other than 'choice - always' should probably be warned that they will be facing a restriction or ban for sexist views if they type so.
The terms pro-life and pro-choice are both framed to seem positive, but the difference is someone who is pro-life can certainly be considered anti-choice, but someone pro-choice cannot be considered to be anti-life because for at least a good part of pregnancy, the fetus is not 'alive' in the sense that other humans are alive. Pro-choice supporters can only be considered to be against what the term "pro-life" represents.
Last edited by Polaris; 26th July 2013 at 08:03.
Two people have voted for "life - always." This is inexcusable.
Last edited by Le Socialiste; 27th July 2013 at 22:21.
"Socialist ideas become significant only to the extent that they become rooted in the working class."
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. . .Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."
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I did -- for shits and giggles. These "polls" are bullshit.
BTW does the British press also insist on calling anti-abortion zealots "pro-life"?
It may have been for a joke, perhaps?
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I'm a bit more curious who voted 'choice- if the woman's life is at risk.' That position has always seemed like a cop-out, or a way to seem to be the rational middle ground.
I'm a committed pro-lifer ...
... no just trolling I'm pro-choice. Even if I thought abortion was really terrible, it's a woman's body. She has as much right to abort a pregnancy as workers have to withhold their labor. A woman also has a right to not have an abortion because her moral views dictate to her that she should not. I don't think the community should use legal means to dictate that choice for women.
Everyone who says that Communists are essentially pro-choice are being dense, or being just historically ignorant. The USSR, Hoxha's Albania, and PRC banned abortion while today the PRC forces women to have only one child. Both are equally an affront to a woman's right to chose. To say something to the effect that Communists are necessarily pro-choice is much too strong of a statement. Now, "Communists should be pro-choice" would be fair, but that's a very different argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortio...ssia#1936-1955
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_chi...rtion_in_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Albania
I guess a Marxist or Anarchist who is critical of Stalin or Mao might just deny that these leaders were authentic Communists, but I think that misses the issue, and seems to be a true scotsman fallacy. Someone could be a thoughtless, idiotic, foolish Communist who lacks a sense of self criticism but they are still a Communist.
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Well this is obviously a foregone conclusion. Out of interest, why are you pro choice; which agument would you use against anti choicers? Arguments in virtue of marxist doctrine would obviously fall flat. What do people think about the 'unwanted intimacy' position?
Many people who argue against abortion think they do so from a rational position. I mean the non-religious objectors. How do you show them that their position is wrong, and not just sexist, or reactionary. They are good enough reasons for us, but objectors may feel that sexism is the lesser of two 'evils'.
Again there are many good arguments, but I feel many on the left rely on the self evidence (it is there of course) rather than arguments that persuade others.
